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Microsoft should be terrified of SteamOS (www.pcworld.com)

submitted 2 days ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.world

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[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Microsoft could also be terrified of how shitty Windows 11 is. I have to think back to Millennium Edition to compare to something this disastrous, but Satya doesn't care about Windows, Surface, or XBox. Microsoft's future is M365, Azure, and D365. Big fat high margin Enterprise Agreements since everyone is locked into their proprietary shitty office formats. And they get enterprise problems with audit, identify, access control like few other businesses.

What I don't know understand is why companies refuse to sell off businesses that they know will die off from their neglect. A shame, except for Windows.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is nothing to be terrified of for MS, windows can implement mandatory rectal scans to log in and linux wouldn't break 20% market share.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Linux is already over 15% in India

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

windows can implement mandatory rectal scans to log in

I for one would swap back to Windows from Liinux if this was implemented!

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Microsoft always follows the pattern of good OS, bad OS, good OS, bad OS. We just have to wait for Windows 12 for a good one.

[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

It's true:

3.0 - aka the Windows Protection Fault release 3.1/3.11/WFWG, now with far fewer WPFs 95 - I lost nearly a year of life waiting for it to reboot, again. 98! Second Edition TBF ME - Lets remove stuff and cause cause problems XP - SP2 - I can login before my PC is taken over by RPC calls from the Internet! Vista - UAC up the Longhorn ass 7 - took long enough 8 - 1.5 half complet OSes 10 - erased 1 OS, completed the other 11 - I am still waiting for file Explorer to open. Where is fileman.exe? It's so laggy, why does the context menu draw out one row at a time.

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[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 98 points 2 days ago (25 children)

I just installed Linux and holy shit it is so much easier and more straight forward than a windows install. Really wish I would have done it sooner.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's funny because while some of it has to do with work to make Linux desktops better, a non-trivial amount of it is how worse Microsoft has made it to deal with Windows.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because Windows is a data-mining and advertising tool these days, more than anything. So they want to make sure you have a MS account on day 1 and that you have to opt out of all of their services 34 times over before they let you use the damn thing.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a long time Linux enjoyer, this is honestly the easiest way to get it into the mainstream. People have already seen the success of the steam deck which only reinforces that Linux can be used for gaming better than ever before. As long as people stop using Windows I'm here for it.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Eh, I don't really care if they stop using Windows, I care that they start using Linux. Dual boot if you need, but more market share for Linux increases the likelihood that devs will support Linux directly.

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 70 points 2 days ago (28 children)

As a Mac user I too want SteamOS to succeed, because it will indirectly result in more games that are compatible with macOS via game porting tools and wine.

Honestly windows is just annoying to deal with. I don’t like the ads, and I don’t like my start menu bar being reorganized. I run it in a VM and managing my install keys is a huge pain with their login system.

Linux is awesome, it’s neat watching its developer friendliness result in snowballing market share.

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[–] unautrenom@jlai.lu 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

(2025 is “The year of the Windows 11 PC refresh,” allegedly)

Wait. Since when has Microsoft's Windows team been drinking from the same copium jars as us Linux users have for years?

That's hilarious.

[–] Buelldozer 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Oh it will be the year of the Windows 11 refresh, there's no question of that. Untold millions of business PCs will be making the change as Windows 10 goes EoL.

It's a very different story in the home market. Frankly the only thing holding Windows Gaming in place is decades of increasing personal PC ownership but that ownership / use rate is now declining as normal people transition to using smartphones and tablets.

In just a few short years, ten at most, gaming on Windows will be about as relevant as gaming on Mac. It may still be called "PC Gaming", you can already see media trying to redefine gaming on SteamDeck and other handhelds as "PC Gaming", but those games won't be built around the Windows OS.

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[–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Year of linux desktop, amirite?

Jesus, news outlets love hyperbole, don't they. We are not even at 5% market share.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He specifically didn't say that. Instead of criticizing that they aren't nuanced enough you should read the nuance they actually wrote:

Let me be clear: The odds of a massive, immediate shift away from Windows PCs aren’t great. This isn’t a “year of the Linux desktop” rallying cry. But if there is a Linux desktop that exists today, it’s the Steam Deck. And that makes SteamOS a bellwether for greater proliferation of non-Windows devices (if not necessarily “Linux” specifically) in a huge range of form factors.

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[–] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When most/all multiplayer games start working on Linux that's when Linux can really start taking off.

[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 17 points 1 day ago (13 children)

They do. We're already there.

The only titles that don't work are the ones with kernel level anti-cheat, and that needs to die anyway.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Are you serious? Most games can be played on Linux? I don't care about the kernel anti cheat games, since that shit is not going on my pc anyway

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

I played enshrouded and path of exile and Diablo and Elden ring coop and bg3 coop all with zero issues except on like the first few days of release if there are any.

The worst thing right now about Linux multiplayer gaming with anticheat is the release day experience. Or if it's a AAA title with heavy graphics expectations, odds are they use some weird directx fuckery that's not available in vulkan immediately and needs patching.

All of that gets fixed when Steam deck compatibility at launch day becomes more of a thing, so it's just a matter of time tbh. I've been using Linux dual-boot since Hardy Heron and as my sole OS since 2018, 2025 may be honestly the year of the Linux desktop no joke.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Proton is basically magic. I've got 1960 games on steam and I have a chunk that are listed as 'untested' but less than 10 that are listed as incompatible. The games listed as untested also usually end up just working. You may have to mess with proton or winetricks sporadically, but even that is very rare in my experience. It is nearly always an issue in a multiplayer game with anti-cheat when it just doesn't work.

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[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you aren't playing games with a kernel anti cheat, legit 99.99% of games will work. Nearly every broken game is due to an anticheat. ProtonDB lists only 4% of the top 1000 Steam games as "borked", and the majority of those are due to anticheat. Any that aren't will likely be fixed by Proton updates.

If you also want to avoid any games that might not be super smooth, filtering Bronze ranked games are another 3%. Silver is another 8%, but I've never had an issue running a Silver rated game.

[–] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My issue is I only play multiplayer games and most have KLAC.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Then there's nothing wrong with staying on Windows. I play nearly exclusively competitive multiplayer games, but all the ones I play work with Proton.

[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 3 points 1 day ago

I’m sure there are exceptions… I haven’t tried every game. But most games in my Steam library work with 0 tinkering, and the rest usually just require setting a few launch options.

The only games I haven’t been able to get working at all are Riot games (vanguard anti-cheat is a b*****) and the VR mods for HL2.

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That would be nice, having good competition solves a lot of problems. Plus if steamOS gains enough traction more large game studios may start to specifically support it.

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