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Title, I'm a leftist but after reading some things on lemmygrad and here it seems I might have been lied to all my life. I have talked with some people from Cuba and Venezuela (expats) that support the west narrative about poverty and mismanagement. I "believe" that Russia is attacking Ukraine for selfish reasons and that China censors access to foreign information using the Great Firewall, please prove me wrong. Furthermore, it ultimately depends who do you want to believe or there are hard facts from reputable sources that are simply a hidden by the mass media?

EDIT: Thanks everyone for your very civil responses. I'll answer as many as I can!

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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Generally, you needn't be motivated to disbelieve every bad thing about every non-Western country to maintain some angels/devils narrative of the world.


I have talked with some people from Cuba and Venezuela (expats) that support the west narrative about poverty and mismanagement.

You should listen to people. People in Cuba and Venezuela are hurtin', no doubt. People experiencing poverty don't see the causes of it, oddly enough. Going through poverty doesn't give you insight into that part of the story.

Venezuela was definitely mismanaged, mostly by a lack of diversification outside of oil, and a lack of financial sustainability (blowing their money too quickly).

But I don't get how any of this rebuts the harmful effect of Yanquí sanctions. Problems usually have more than one cause.

I “believe” that Russia is attacking Ukraine for selfish reasons... please prove me wrong.

Russia is an ultra-capitalist regime, no need for leftists to defend it.

I “believe” that... China censors access to foreign information using the Great Firewall, please prove me wrong.

This is a tricky one. My friends in mainland China tell me they surf the web as they want, use VPNs as they want. It seems to be pretty commonly accepted there, like smoking weed in countries where that's illegal but everyone does it.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Great Firewall

I can't see the specific propaganda and CIA+tech sector fuckery that we're trying to use against China. I have, however, seen enough South and Central American coups and color revolutions to know that it's absolutely incessant, and that you can't half-ass your defenses against it.

Basically, China would know better than you or I what they need to do to defend themselves. Just fucking blotting it all out and building their own internet with blackjack and hookers is working out pretty well for them, apparently :shrug-outta-hecks:

[–] Retrosound@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well you know, the CPC doesn't want libs on their internet.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

but chapo.chat is not :thinkin-lenin: it seems CPC did not approve of the name

[–] Washburn@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

They actually wanted us to go with lib.rehab

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm kind of curious if this is because of our indecipherable shitposting, or because we're routed through Cloudfare.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

probably because it's routed through cloudflare, i think hexbear is too obscure to even end up on the radar of government censors