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Diese Besitznotiz gilt nicht fΓΌr Elon Musk. Den kΓΆnnt ihr gerne behalten, wir brauchen keinen zweiten HΓΆcke der zusΓ€tzlich noch viel zu viel Geld hat.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I've tried to imagine how I would gesture 'my heart goes out to you' vibes. In no world can I imagine a down-turned, flat palm, fingers straight and all together at about 45Β° (Nazi salute).

Like, if you were to give some one something (your metaphorical heart) you'd hand it over palm up. Or if you're metaphorically distributing it like sewing seeds you would again, throw it out, palm up, hands slightly closed. Or if you're throwing it like sand, you would have your fingers apart by the end of the throw.

In no world, does this make any sense other being a Nazi salute.

Or he's the most awkward, weird dude in history. That is also, true, but given his other behaviour, I dunno how this could be read in any other way.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The birdy has grown

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

its just a roman salute bro πŸ€“

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 1 points 29 minutes ago

I know you're joking, but I still struggle to see how that makes things better? We have evidence that the Romans also committed genocide.

[–] Atlas_@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Ok, so imagine that you're a billionaire and a really smart dude (as claimed by so many people on the internet). And you get into government and appear on TV and want to look good. You might hire a publicist, a PR team, some speechwriters, hell how about a body language consultant. When you go on TV you're going to project exactly the image you intend to. Anything less would be careless and stupid, right?

So yeah. This was a Nazi salute. And if you really want to argue that it wasn't, that Musk doesn't even know what a Nazi is, you gotta also accept that he's grossly incompetent and should not be in government at all. Throw him out, we didn't vote for him.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 59 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 29 points 13 hours ago

Steps like a goose.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I asked the Anti-Duckification League and they say he's a swan. You're misconstruing things and frankly we find it a bit weird that you'd read so far into such a banal hand gesture.

Now, if you'll excuse me, we need to get back to our primary goal of making the use of the phrase "From the River, To The Sea" a capital crime.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 181 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

At first I thought it was blown out of proportion, too. After watching the video, I can only say that if he did that in Germany, he would have been arrested on stage. Let's see what topic-relatedly, profoundly knowledgeable Benito Mussolini, allegedly, had to say:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Ah, ok, thanks Benito! Enjoy your fascism that you voted for, America. I hope those egg prices will go down (they won't).

[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 48 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I hope those egg prices will go down (they won't).

They might, since deregulation is another of Trump's plans. Then the producers can save money by not bothering to keep dangerous substances out of the food, or the water, or the air... and pass those "savings" on to the consumers.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

and pass those β€œsavings” on to the consumers.

More likely that they pocket those savings for extra profit and the prices stay the same.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, but they didn't go up! πŸ₯΄

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

Don’t be so sure about the not going up part. Prices will always go up!

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 14 hours ago

Deregulating the industry while we're on the cusp of a bird flu epidemic and after pulling out of WHO. πŸ’€

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 15 points 16 hours ago

If you don't need to look for Avian flu, or stop selling eggs from sick Chickens, then cost savings can be passed on to customers, and no one will notice increased healthcare costs/deaths. Cheap eggs y'all.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

We're cooked guys.

Buy a gun.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Hatband's too tight and it shows

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 119 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

β€œNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

― Jean-Paul Sartre

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 23 points 17 hours ago

You could absolutely just replace anti-semites here with fascists, to encompass all the other minorities they intend to oppress

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 87 points 18 hours ago (14 children)

CNN is already sane-washing this, referring to Musk's "odd gesture."

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cpdxzjw9p47o

Elon Musk's appearance at a Trump rally this afternoon is garnering significant attention online over a one-armed gesture.

He made the gesture while thanking supporters for contributing to Trump's victory. Musk thanked the crowd for "making it happen", before placing his right hand over his heart and then thrusting the same arm out into air straight ahead of him.

"My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured," he said.

Several users on X, the social medial platform he owns, have likened the gesture to a Nazi salute.

Musk has since responded, posting on his social media site X: "Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired."

I wish western journalists would have opted to become compost instead. Compost is useful.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 16 hours ago

Securing the future and a nazi salute, but we're not supposed to believe our lying eyes.

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[–] treasoner@lemm.ee 5 points 11 hours ago

Quit linking Twitter and X. Almost any other site will do.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 64 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

The real excuse from Elons fans is "It's just a joke." Or "He's trolling libs."

Which is almost as bad, even if true.

It reminds me of school bullies that would make cutting, abusive "jokes" and follow it up with "Just kidding, bruh" if it doesn’t land right. And these are some of the worst human beings I have ever personally encountered.

How can people worship something like that at such scale? Like, I wouldn’t even wish that on the most raging Nazi, it’s worse than breaking their jaw.

Another one I saw was "But Kamala Harris did it as well" which is just a frame and had to yet see an link to the video in question unlike when Elon Musk did it

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 25 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

MAGAts ain’t cryin tho

[–] painfulasterisk1@lemmy.ml 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

He is crying from happiness, until, as always, affects their family members.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Liberals deeply, passionately, fervently need to believe in some kind of cosmic justice for conservatives. But I'm surrounded by them deep down in the bleeding red state of Texas, and I'm sorry to report they're thriving and multiplying.

Yeah, sure, they'll bitch and cry like stuck pigs at the mildest inconvenience. But plenty of them still have fat bank accounts and big price-inflated houses they took the mortgage out on 20 years ago when land was cheap and college degrees with minimal debt and luxurious country club style mega-churches subsidized with public dollars and giant families with chubby little grandkids outfitted in all the latest MAGA apparel.

Like, the idea that you've got these armies of Crying MAGA voters who have sucked shit due to Republican policy is delusional. The army of billionaires showing up to the Trump Inauguration so they can kiss the ring and collect another few trillion in next year's federal spending should let you know exactly how delusional.

Conservatives aren't suffering and liberals would do well to stop pretending a friendly government is incapable of jerking its favored constituents off. Just because the last four liberal Presidents fumbled the bag for their base voters doesn't mean Republicans can't or won't happily deliver.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 38 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

1932 was a pivotal year in the Nazis’ ascent. It’s a terrifying parallel for today

Leading Civil Rights Lawyer Shows 20 Ways Trump Is Copying Hitler's Early Rhetoric and Policies

Here's the list from that second article. Article goes into detail for each.

  1. Neither was elected by a majority. (not relevant now this was 2019)

  2. Both found direct communication channels to their base.

  3. Both blame others and divide on racial lines.

  4. Both relentlessly demonize opponents.

  5. They unceasingly attack objective truth.

  6. They relentlessly attack mainstream media.

  7. Their attacks on truth include science.

  8. Their lies blur reality--and supporters spread them.

  9. Both orchestrated mass rallies to show status.

  10. They embrace extreme nationalism.

  11. Both made closing borders a centerpiece.

  12. They embraced mass detention and deportations.

  13. Both used borders to protect selected industries.

  14. They cemented their rule by enriching elites.

  15. Both rejected international norms.

  16. They attack domestic democratic processes.

  17. Both attack the judiciary and rule of law.

  18. Both glorify the military and demand loyalty oaths.

  19. They proclaim unchecked power.

  20. Both relegate women to subordinate roles.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 36 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

"No, see, it's not a salute because his hand is tilted .026 degrees higher than that of Adolf Hitlers Nazi salute, so how can you even compare the two things, they're completely different!!!"

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 18 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Tbf, Adolf Hitlers salutes were really sloppy.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 15 points 16 hours ago

Hitler was also whacked out of his mind on methamphetamine most of the time, just like this jackass

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[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 37 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I vote for a rebrand of MAGA: Make America Go Aryan.

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