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They are like the proper green and peasant parties should be - green on the outside and red on the inside.

Not brown inside like the current european ones, especially german.

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[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Funnily enough, "watermelon" is either a slur or a term of endearment for Green Party members and leadership in the U.S., depending on who's using it or who it's referring to.

A lot of Amerikan comrades likely have some amount of disdain for Jill Stein and even Ajamu Baraka, for some justified reasons and some reasons that stem, I feel, purely from anti-socialist propaganda manufactured to sabotage them from both the left and the right. They're watermelons, green on the outside and red on the inside. I had the wonderful pleasure of meeting comrade Ajamu in person in 2019 or so. The man is undoubtedly a communist and an anti-imperialist. I met Dr. Stein, too, and she's quite wonderful albeit with perhaps a more optimistic and maybe naive belief in "pan-leftist" organizing as it were.

I don't think the greens are the vanguard. I don't think the Green Party as it exists can or ever will function as one. But I implore comrades who dislike them for surface level reasons to examine if those reasons actually make sense or are justified.

(I didn't mean to hijack your post in support of the Amerikan green party lol. From my understanding, the German greens are filled to the brim with fucking pedophiles. They're brown and rotten watermelons all the way through.)

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

god damn it now I have to deconstruct some of what I feel is common propaganda against the greens

Jill Stein is not anti-vax. In a reddit AMA a long time ago she replied to a question about vaccines saying that she believed that corporate oversight on shit that goes in our body is not ok and that we need civilian oversight into vaccine production and distribution. Redditors took this to mean she was anti-science instead of, you know, aware of the way vaccines have been weaponized by the U.S. state and corporations historically. Do we suddenly believe that the corporate dominated healthcare industry in the U.S. has the peoples' best interests in mind simply because anti-science reactionaries distrust them too, for different reasons?

Ajamu Baraka is a communist. I personally saw him shut down a libertarian dweeb weaponizing Stalin's legacy against socialism. Is his engagement in electoralism incorrect? Is the praxis he engages in indicative of liberalism? Perhaps. But he himself is a comrade, and the green party is not the only vehicle for action he participate(s/d) in.

Green Party has problems. Its pan-leftist approach is evidently incorrect as it has led to massive infighting and no democratic centralism to speak of. It is mainly a vehicle for "awareness", whether you think that is a worthwhile endeavor or not. And a lot of the membership hold batshit ideas and only support the party because it's a break from the duopoly. I merely would suggest that we don't discount every member or leader as a lost cause - I've met far more radical Greens than I have DSA members. End lukewarm defense rant.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

libertarian dweeb weaponizing Stalin’s legacy against socialism

Wait what

Also thank you for posts about US greens.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was at a college event my group hosted, we had dinner with Baraka beforehand and we got the pleasure to hear about his start in organizing and about him being a black draftee. He was stationed in Germany and helped organize a strike at his base. The experience radicalized him, iirc.

But he gave a talk afterwards, small university so maybe to 30 or so people. The Libertarian group on campus (Young Americans for Liberty) arrived in full force and peppered him with bad faith questions after his speech about the necessity for socialism and an end to war. One of the kids asked him "but how you can say Socialism needs to come to America when Stalin killed tens of millions of his own people?"

I turned to a comrade and said "picturing Stalin in the back of a pickup just absolutely mowing people down on the street for shits and giggles". Baraka had a much more dignified way of shutting it down, something like "I'm not talking about Georgia, I'm not talking about Russia, I'm talking about here and now. With climate catastrophe coming, we adopt socialism or we die." Little dork might well have melted into his seat.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This would be nice sticker material: