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So, the time has finally come. I want to mention that I'm not a huge fan of musicals, this translates to that tend to only watch them if external circumstances push me to watch one and I only enjoy if they're really well done. Well, circumstances have pushed me, and... it was meh.
I thought the songs weren't particularly memorable, the productions were a bit underwhelming and the dancing nearly non-existent.
One day they’ll do a proper adaptation of “How Much For Just the Planet?” and I can die happy.
Yes! That would work incredibly well with the SNW crew! Writers, please do that! I love that book!
I found it peculiar how the Klingons were saying there was no honor in the singing—considering how into Opera the can be known to be—up until I heard how they got the most egregious of the autotune.
It could be bunnies
Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes!
They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses!
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies!
Bunnies!
It must be bunnies!
Ok, a post from someone that really hate musicals and was worried about this episode. So sorry if I will over criticize the episode...
I admit the episode was so fun at the beginning and songs were nice, loved La'an and Una parts they were really good. I was thinking the episode was a banger. I loved so much the opera opening too.
Unlikely it started to lose my attention around on Chapel's song (also because the autotune was so evident in her and I found the Chapel Spock relationship the worst part of the series) and the second part was a little hard for me to follow, the music too was less interesting and even if Uhura has a great voice her solo song was too long and def not my cup of tea, I didn't even understand what was trying to say. It could have worked for me with less songs.
It was interesting I have fun for more than I thought and I laughed so much with Klingons, it was often close to clinginess but it was ok at the end.
The story and plot points were good, but SOME of the songs where maybe a minute too long for my taste. Any song with Spock is good, but the autotune... Yikes. Lol
Maybe not on my rewatch list.
I abhor autotune like nobody's business, I also loathe musicals. The combination of these two has kept me from watching this one so far. I might have to get pretty drunk one night I guess
Fantastic episode! Loved it from cover to cover. I like how we have Spock reverting back to being classic Spock in a musical episode. Arguably it makes this episode one of the most important episodes to canon. Also did Kirk know about Marcus beforehand? I swear he learned about him in Wrath of Kahn but I haven't seen that film in forever.
Yes.
Kirk was aware of David’s existence prior, but David wasn’t aware that Kirk was his father. He is surprised when David identifies himself as Dr Marcus in ST II but asks Carol when she appears, “Is that David?”
Later, he says:
KIRK: I did what you wanted. I stayed away. Why didn't you tell him?
CAROL: How can you ask me that? Were we together? Were we going to be? You had your world, and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine, not chasing through the universe with his father.
David wasn’t aware that Kirk was his father
Technically, David did know that his father was an "overgrown boy scout" named Jim Kirk, but they had never met before and evidently knew little about one another aside from their mutual existence.
Only a minor part of the episode but I enjoyed that the intro was done with mostly vocals instead of the usual. I was absolutely not expecting a different intro after we got one with the Lower Decks crossover.
No, sorry. Very bad. Only Rose-Gooding and Chong could sing, the autotune was obvious and jarring for all the others. The songs weren't memorable (I confess I really dislike the modern US showtune style, but it can at least be catchy — this wasn't), the choreography and even the editing was shoddy. The first episode of Trek, other than Enterprise, that I've wanted to switch off.
I love musicals and I love Trek so I was hoping I would love this episode, but I just didn't, and I think it was mostly because the music was... bad? It wasn't catchy, it wasn't fun, there was not one single legitimate bop during the whole episode. Uhura's last line about an earworm struck me as a sour note because... no. Not a single earworm to be had in the whole thing. I couldn't hum a single song from that episode and I watched it less than an hour ago. The only number that had any spark to it at all was Chapel's number at the lounge, and it was barely a spark.
Even Una's alleged Gilbert and Sullivan riff was barely, barely recognizable as a take on G&S. It was to G&S as a brick spraypainted orange is to a glass of refreshing orange juice. You're gonna do G&S in a musical episode and not do patter? Come on, son.
I just can't get behind this episode, and I was truly prepared to be thrilled. I mean the cast tried hard, but in a musical the music has to be good, and this wasn't.
La'an definitely becoming one of my favorite characters, which is surprising because she was middle of the pack in S1.
I despise musical episodes and had to stop watching this one after I heard Spock's autotuned voice.
I loved the episode. I’m not a huge fan of American musical theatre, but this really worked for me and my partner.
The tone was just right and the songs were well matched to the skills and characters. It’s delightful.
It was also really nice to come to this community and soak up all the positivity. I really needed a place to come like this after watching episodes. As we see it a bit later on CTV Sci-fi Channel in Canada, I can often feel blasted with fan backlash when I check out people’s views after watching.
Yes, there are a few folks here for whom this isn’t there kind of thing, and they are letting us know. We’ve not however seeing brigading negativity that is cropping up on some other social media. I can appreciate that some want their Trek more dignified and serious, but the ‘worst thing ever’ hyperbole is a bit hard to take when Threshold and Code of Honor exist.
What. The. Heck. Just. Happened. I always hated musicals but this was incredible! This show is KILLING it. OMG
I hated musicals until the structure and theory was explained to me. Maybe you liked this episode because it directly addressed the plot conventions it was hitting and the structure of musicals. Check out the channel Sideways on youtube, he does a great job explaining musical theory in cinema, including musicals and nonmusicals.
I feel like I’m the only person who was SUPER excited when the musical episode was announced, and.. rather underwhelmed by the actual episode. (Except for the a capella theme song. I adored that!) Maybe my expectations were too high, but.. I just didn’t think most of the songs were that good. I need to rewatch it a couple times, maybe it’ll grow on me.
I felt similarly. Like, sure, its a little silly but hey go for it. But if you go for it you gotta nail it and while the performances were all decent the songs themselves were mostly just ok.
Another amazing episode and a certainly fresh idea for the Klingons with their K-pop, or Kling-pop?
I think they towed a good line on whimsy, emotion and gimmicks and kept it well grounded as character exploration. Let's force everyone to process their season's emotional growth in song!
Also I have to say I love how much focus SNW gives to lower ranking officers. Classic trek always ended up focusing on a few senior officers but this is a proper ensemble number.
Only thing I want more now is this with Elle Cordova doing her Star Trek technoblabble songs in it.
@ValueSubtracted
Subspace Rhapsody is the greatest episode in all of Star Trek canon.
I will die on this hill.
Edit: cannon -> canon
I'll join you, great episode.
@GaiusGornicusCaesar
Then you're gonna be my cha'DIch from now on!
All the haters will draw their last breaths at the end of our Mek'Leths!
Yep, it's the best episode