This will set China back multiple years in their quest to automagically generate the most dogshit art anyone has ever seen. Maybe even longer on chatbot girlfriend technology crucial to winning the 21st century and beyond.
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The data harvesting fronts that have been released to consumers are not the problem. Its AI that generates better jet parts, or ai that can better detect submarines, or AI that can efficiently parse through the massive amounts of data they collect on everyone.
You still need lots of very fast chips to train the models (or run simulations in the case of turbine blades, etc)
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But instead of giving Nvidia and other companies some extra time to ship their AI and HPC GPUs to China, the U.S. Department of Commerce decided to speed up the implementation of its latest export curbs.
As a result, Nvidia can no longer ship A100, A800, H100, H800, and L40S GPUs to China, effective immediately.
"On October 23, 2023, the United States Government informed Nvidia […] that the licensing requirements of the interim final rule [concerning AI and HPC processors] dated October 18, 2023, applicable to products having a 'total processing performance' of 4800 or more and designed or marketed for datacenters, is effective immediately, impacting shipments of the Company's A100, A800, H100, H800, and L40S products," an Nvidia's filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reads.
On November 16, the U.S. government revealed its plans to require Nvidia and other companies to get an export license from the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security to supply their powerful processors with certain levels of 'processing density' to China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam.
If yes, the best graphics cards for gaming could end up in short supply and get considerably more expensive in China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam.
Meanwhile, given demand for Nvidia's high-end products, including A100, H800, L40, and L40S AI and HPC GPUs, the company does not expect any immediate impact on its financial results.
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Tbf, US companies brought this upon themselves when they agreed to China's guidelines for working within the country.
Lots of industries in China have a barrier to entry for foreign manufacturers/businesses that require either partnering with a local Chinese business or rebadging your product to sell under a local Chinese business brand.
Such conditions are rife for IP theft. Especially in a country that is famous for ignoring IP laws of other nations. Shenzhen doesn't even leverage IP laws at all, it's the wild west.
I do wonder how well these restrictions work. I have a feeling they only create a black market.
I'm interested in seeing the kind of acceleration libraries pop up as RISCV starts to extend into GPU territory.
There certainly will be new black/grey markets. However, violating sanctions is probably not something you want to get caught doing.
In the west and under the law of the country the company operates, yes. But this is ultimately a US protectionist act that does not carry nearly the same weight overseas. Admittedly I have no idea how the US is even remotely able to enforce this - by providing more sanctions/restrictions? They might have power over US companies that sell abroad, but after it's sold I don't see how they're preventing this hardware from being sold to any other country.
I generally try to follow the laws of the country I’m visiting whether or not I personally agree.
I’m not a lawyer, but I think in the US this is generally handled through fines or jail time depending on severity. In the case of a foreign entity, this would be a more complex problem.
However, in the specific case of TMSC there are mutually beneficial interests. The current Taiwanese government has a close defense relationship with Western powers.
And exports from non US, or Taiwan Semi Conductors to the OEMs. Surely they have no jurisdiction, and contracts and purchase orders are probably in place until next gen 50x cards. It's just a knee jerked reaction of being outdone. There will be no impact outside the gamer sat in second fiddle to the NSA getting first dibs. US market only.
They have jurisdiction over companies based on the us and can punish them for the actions of their overseas interests.
They have derivatives of certain chips for the Chinese market only. They must have clauses to pre-empt such actions.
If the government decides to restrict exports of something this trumps any and all existing contracts regarding the now restricted thing.