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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.

Also you can boycott israeli goods.

https://bdsmovement.net

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Don't know about the USA, but here in Europe and in Arab/Muslim countries, lots and lots of people are out on the street, multiple times a week.

I do agree that this is the best strategy, but I just don't think we have enough of the population on our side.

Too many westerners value Jewish Israeli life more than that of a Palestinian.

In my country (Netherlands), Israeli bombings literally killed one of our citizens, after Israel had refused them exit out of Gaza. And our PM is silent.

Meanwhile, our government gave citizenship through a dubious legal procedure to an Israeli hostage who has a Dutch grandfather in order to give that boy a dual nationality.

We do not have equality in our country. Muslims are worth less than Jews here.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel intentionally bombed a US ship and killed 34 sailors. Instead of doing something about it we helped them cover it up. It's fucking crazy how much we let them get away with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfla1

[–] Duxon@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think you're lying about the "covering up" bits of this story. Investigations into the incident started right away, with the Israeli Air Force claiming that they had mistaken the ship for an Egyptian battle ship. As a result, Israel agreed to pay compensation as mentioned in the article:

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The BDSMovement has a great acronym

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago (33 children)

As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can't fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.

Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.

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[–] elouboub@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago (46 children)

It's not genocide, it's self-defense /s

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[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims.

[–] superguy@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time.

Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If only Saudi Arabia didn't want a civilian nuclear program.

What am I talking about? Saudi Arabia was about to sign a defense agreement with the United States that would have allowed them to have a civilian nuclear program and enter into a defense pact with the United States. The only condition placed on Saudi Arabia was that they had to normalize relations with Israel. Iran didn't like this, because they're biggest competitor in the region was Saudi Arabia. If only there was a way to keep Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations with Israel. I wonder what Iran could have done to prevent that...

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Convenient coincidence, but Qatar has been shoveling money towards Hamas for years

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