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[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 104 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The real crime here is downloading Chrome.

Firefox, for privacy protection.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I'm also greatly concerned by the Chromium engine supremacy on the Internet.

There are interesting privacy-focused Chromium-based browsers but I still refuse to use them. Google shouldn't have a near-monopoly on web rendering engines and on web "standards". Firefox is the only proper competition I can get behind.

[–] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Firefox is great, but :has (a CSS selector supported by WebKit but not Gecko) is starting to get a lot more popular.

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Being slightly forceful might work, but being too forceful has the opposite effect. I've seen a lot of people avoiding Edge not because of its technical demerits, or due to lack of knowledge, but because MS forces it so much down your throat that something "feels" off.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I recently installed Edge for a technical reason and was instantly grossed out by all the stupid bling they’ve added to it.

[–] _Lory98_@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've used it at work since it often is the only installed browser and it feels like it's already infected by toolbars and other malware out of the box.

The new tab page reminds me of the weird ads you see at the bottom of tabloid websites.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a sysadmin, if I'm ever told to not provide browser choices to my users, I'll quit. It's sad that your work pigeonholes you into a single choice.

[–] _Lory98_@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

Luckily on my actual work PC I can use whatever I want, but on other devices I'm forced to use Edge both because of restrictions on what I can install and because there's a lot of internal applications that still rely on vbscript.

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[–] ulu_mulu@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

On our company PCs we have both Edge and Chrome, after the latest Windows update a few days ago, every time I try to set Chrome as default browser, a window pops up saying something on the lines of "are you sure? please try out the fabulous Edge first, you might change your mind".

That annoys me to no end, first we are in EU, where Microsoft has been fined in the past for not allowing a browser choice, second, we're talking about Windows ENTERPRISE !!, keep that shit out of it, policies on PCs are decided at enterprise level, you can't spam users about it.

[–] amio@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And not only that, but the stupid front page with stupid irrelevant news, some of which are literal, blatant attempts at fraud - "[random B-celeb from your country] has a money making tip They don't want you to know!" and that sort of shit - in the browser they relentlessly push, nag about or just "accidentally" reset as default every cunting week.

Dozens of popups, random notifications - like... why? What person with, I assume, at least half a brain stem in their head could possibly think these were good ideas?

"I don't give a shit, show me the web page and shut the fuck up!" has turned into a mantra when I have to use Edge. That's not good.

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.one 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of their choices should have been: "This survey is exactly the reason I am going to a different browser. "

[–] amio@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Way too realistic, they don't want to hear shit like that. Way too true.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Because they know what'll happen. And they don't want to have to address it at the next quarterly.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They really had the foresight not to add an "other" option. Says a lot

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"My reason is not listed" is the same thing.

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[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honest to god, the browser that wins is the one with the least bullshit popping up in my face when I open it

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That would probably be GNOME Web, because it literally does not pop up anything. Not on the first launch, not on any other launch.

But that’s really only helpful if you’re on Gnome, so Firefox, more likely.

[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always bypass ever launching Edge by installing with winget install mozilla.firefox

Or just install Linux.

[–] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Who wants to use any product or service this desperate to try and keep you.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to use Windows for work, and every single day, I open Outlook and I'm greeted with "WE RESPECT YOUR PRIVACY, please share your data with us." And every day I say "Don't share optional data." Clearly there's a fucking problem here.

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

No you misunderstood, that's "WE INSPECT YOUR PRIVACY"

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Chrome is where the market share is.

Also the 2 people per month downloading Firefox probably do it for privacy reasons, harder to convince them than a user using a Big Tech browser to use a different Big Tech browser.

[–] illectrility@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, using Firefox is a real hassle compared to Edge or Chrome. It's really only worth it if you're hardcorde into privacy but barely usable for your average Joe /s

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Come on, you gotta go all the way to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/windows/, click the big download button and install it. What a chore ! Who would willingly do all of these three steps ?

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

with the added trust of Microsoft

That's rich.

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[–] HububBub@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MS is getting so thirsty it's pathetic. All the Win 11 garbage and now this. It's sad really.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I develop software that runs on Windows, so I have to use it to some degree. I would pay so much money for an officially-supported version that lets me cut out all the shit I don’t need and not deal with stupid thirst tricks. For the longest, I just ran Windows Server in a VM.

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] ezures@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sadly only available for large corporations

^or ^the ^ports ^of ^the ^bay

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[–] amio@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

I swear Microsoft, particularly the Windows and Edge divisions, have consultants on retainer directly from Hell - specialists in making things absolutely infuriating for no particularly good reason.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Desperate ex girlfriend, Microsoft.

[–] doleo@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

The article doesn't count the popups you get when you try to change your default browser

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I dont really use windows often outside of my work devices these days, but even if I did I wouldnt use edge as a primary browser based on how things rolled with IE6 and active X.

Yeah yeah youre a new friendlier Microsoft, webstandards and html5 are more locked in, and your browser is a chrome fork, and you "<3 Linux". I remember what you are and how you locked down the web when you had a chance. Personally I dont use chrome for the same reason given the direction google has been heading.

But to answer "why not Edge?": because you spent the better part of the last few decades sucking and amoral companies dont deserve the benefit of good faith.

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve uninstalled Chrome on all computers in my home. Back to Firefox with Edge as a backup browser if needed.

[–] Starshader@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes I strangely have more confidence into Microsoft than Aphabet.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I never had this problem to put Vivaldi or any other browser instead of EDGE. Maybe i'm still with W10, maybe the last Windows which can be tamed. The only thing is that in Windows it isn't enough to declare the browser as default in the browser settings, you must do it also in the Windows default app settings too, but after this you'll never seen EDGE again, at least in W10.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i don't trust chrome OR whatever browser microsoft wants me to use.

also to say i 'trust' firefox would also be an overstatement, but you could fairly describe it as, "I distrust firefox less" than either google or microsoft.

[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Try any of the fantastic Firefox forks then

FireDragon, Librewolf etc.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Okay, I'll pack my stuff up. But can you fill out this short questionnaire on how I could have been a better boyfriend?"

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[–] Kjatten@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Akira! Leave me alone! Aach!

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