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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 week ago (39 children)

That's what Daddy Putin wants, so that's what Daddy Putin gets.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

This is what America wanted. Biden made no effort to provide Ukraine with the weapons to win.

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[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Literally the same words said in December 2021 could possibly prevent:

  • invasion of Ukraine;
  • death of dozens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and turning of millions of Ukrainians to refugees;
  • destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities;
  • loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia;
  • loss of Ukrainian rare minerals to US.

The Trump administration is just saying loud what all the other NATO governors have been hiding. No one ever planned to fight Russia for Ukraine and the only destiny for Ukrainian aboriginals is to be used as proxy cannon fodder to fight one of NATO's bogeymen.

NATO countries never cared about Ukraine's casualities to the point that they decided that Ukrainian lives were worth less than a signed piece of paper with the aforementioned statement: 'No NATO for Ukraine'. Everything that happens to the people of Ukraine is just collateral damage on the way to the main goal – to harm Russia. The colonizer mentality (so well known to many NATO countries) never changes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I love how you get downvoted for stating the obvious.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Hope this guy gets hit by a dump truck

[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this have had value as a bargaining chip in peace talks? The fact that they're saying this now suggests that they're about to pressure Ukraine into a truly shitty deal.

[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 week ago

My guess is that this was Putin's requirement to even discuss terms. Besides, Trump already secured rights to their REM, what more could we even get from Ukraine joining NATO?

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Security guarantees? Europe's picking up the tab while Washington cashes out. Hegseth's "pragmatic evaluation" means funneling Europe's GDP into Lockheed Martin's quarterly reports. NATO's 5% defense spending target? A $2.3 trillion shakedown disguised as collective security. The Continent's industrial base is now a Pentagon subcontractor.

Crimea's gone. Zelensky's bargaining chips? A lithium deposit map and a graveyard of Leopard tanks. The "non-NATO peacekeeping mission" is just a rebrand for EU cannon fodder patrols. Von der Leyen's already drafting memos about "volunteer brigades" staffed by unemployed Iberian welders.

The real "negotiated settlement": Trump's Mar-a-Lago membership roster now includes Rosneft executives. Europe gets to foot the bill for demining Donbas while Chevron drills the Black Sea.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that Europeans bet their whole future on a politically unstable country that can completely change its entire policy every four years will never stop being hilarious.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Deadbeat dad doesn’t even begin to describe the abandonment.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

a tale as old as time itself

[–] TheOtherNakoichi@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 week ago

I mean fuck hegseth he's a fucking Nazi but NATO is also full of Nazis too so fuck it let them fight

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, Russia is winning. What are people here expecting?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Liberals still seem to think the war can be ended if the US asks Russia politely to retreat and gain nothing.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We get:

  • Nothing

You get:

  • Less than nothing

What a fucking great deal!

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What a fucking great deal!

Somehow it's always like that when some country get to serve as US proxy.

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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Under this deal, Putin gets to annex key territories while Ukraine is kept out of NATO and left without American peacekeepers, forcing Europe to buy U.S. military gear. Imperialist powers divide and weaken working people by keeping nations in chaos and under constant threat. This brief period of "peace" isn't for long as capitalist interests allow Russia to regroup and rearm. Ukraine remains in a disordered, free-for-all state under imperialist influences. In time, this setup could let Russia launch an invasion through Odessa to connect with Transnistria.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Transnistria is a thousand miles from Odessa, twice as far as St. Petersberg, and Pskov is about 400 miles away.

Vibes, vibes, vibes.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Transnistria is a thousand miles from Odessa, twice as far as St. Petersberg, and Pskov is about 400 miles away.

Vibes, vibes, vibes.

No. The material reality is that Transnistria is roughly 100–150 km from Odessa and not the thousand miles being claimed.

Pskov is near the Estonian border, and St. Petersburg is on the Baltic Sea. Neither of these cities is close to Moldova, so they are largely irrelevant to any invasion plans in that region.

It's important to rely on concrete conditions and verifiable data rather than hyperbolic claims and vibing.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, you’re right. I was thinking of Kaliningrad.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I appreciate the change in direction with the correction, regardless of the circumstances 👁️

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Get ready to see a wave of far right terrorist attacks on US/European soil when they realize what we've been ridiculed for saying from day one: they were used as cannon fodder, there was never any intention of NATO membership

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Europe is rapidly entering the finding out stages of fucking around.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What level do you need to be to cast Bubble of Illusion?

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