Pence has a point but he's lying too. Russia -was- provoked by Bush, Bush Jr, Obama, and even Biden. They all kept moving Nato closer to Russia, and Russia loudly complained, but was ignored. So Pence is a liar too.
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I do understand that side of it, Russia's perspective and the West's callous indifference to it. I think there's quite a lot of reality to that. That doesn't mean they're all of a sudden justified for bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, and power stations in the middle of winter. Right is right and wrong is wrong. A lot of the US internal decision-making was that fucking up Nicaragua and Vietnam was perfectly justified, because we were scared. Did that become right? Fuck no, it was a war crime. So is Ukraine.
What Putin did, invading Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine was wrong. But Putin was definitely provoked.
Yeah, but so was Chris Brown.
That guy is still hanging around?
Of course in this instance he's 100% correct, just really goes to show how much of a unscrupulous hack Mike Pence is for hanging his hat on the first administration.
I have no reason to believe that Mike Pence will ever get the hang of "the truth"
Hanging is exactly what they tried to do with him.
And he still supported Trump afterwards.
Screw the broken clock metaphor. Pence isn't always wrong, but it's like finding glitter in a pile of shit.
the orange ousted him and tried to have him killed.
Turns out the fly was actually a brain slug. It's now in control of him and handling this situation.
Omg what a reference lol
Mike Pence might be a religious zealot who wants to ban abortions, etc but he is still an american patriot. There is no way you can be pro US and supporting what Trump is doing. Trump is destroying alliances, good will and all the soft power the US had accumulated in over 100 years.
Soft power was the real american super power. China might have had industrial might, might have gotten equivalent military strength eventually but China didnt have much soft power. Thats why China launched the Belt and Road initiative, 10 years ago. This is a multi-trillion dollar program, that invests on infrastructure to make it easier for China to trade with the rest of the world(and to cultivate positive attitudes towards China).
With the destruction of american soft power, Trump opened a huge door for China. There is a non zero chance of Europe pivoting towards China, similarly to how China pivoted towards the US(and away from USSR) in the 1970s. If China can offer a more "reasonable" peace plan for Ukraine, it can get the EU to be more neutral towards China in exchange, maybe even staying out of future Taiwan conflict.
He’s a supporter of republican supply side jesus and an American Chauvanist. Sometimes those traits will fall on the right side of things, but make no mistake he was fine with pretty much everything the republicans had on the agenda except for trump.
My prediction is that this guy has a terminal illness and is scrambling to do some good deeds before the end.
Or maybe just want revenge for his boss telling a mob to lynch him.
Maybe, but the rest of the trumpers seem like they'd be cool with any attention from the orange one. Its weird how many of them hated him and then flipped. Makes me wonder if the Russia arrangement includes kompromat services. All these right wingers have tonnes of secret dirt to go with their holier than thou attitudes and bible thumping cred.
The dumbest possible timeline where I am forced to agree with a religious zealot because the alternative is even worse.
Imagine telling someone in 2016 that Pence is one of the reasonable ones.
It keeps happening. Nixon was an unprecedented monster, then it was W and the whole Mitch McConnell crew, and then Ted Cruz and MTG lowered the bar further, and now we're going lower than that.
I still remember when Mitt Romney was one of the massivest of the pieces of shit. Mitt Romney! Now he's not even welcome in the building, because of his reasonableness.
Regan was also a new low. Seems every GOP president we get is a new low.
It's the boiling frog overton window methodology to convert from a democracy to a theocratic oligarchy...
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Or that Dick Cheney said he would vote for a democrat. You'd think that would help influence a few more people. The guys who were considered the hard right just 10-15 years prior are now saying "nah, fuck that guy. He's a lunatic".
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This just shows how sports minded all this bullshit is. If Pence was still Trumps VP, he'd currently be tweeting "Oh, all praise our leader!"
But because he had a falling out, he find himself saying things that will fall on the right side of history. Not because he's a genuinely good person, but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Didn't hear Pence speaking out in 2019 when Trump was president, and was trying to extort Zelenskyy into blackmailing Hunter Biden. Pence didn't say a word.
So he can shut the fuck up. He's not wrong in what he's saying, but HE can shut the fuck up.
Hearing Pence done with all the bullshit on the night of January 6th and shutting down people who were still trying to throw the election to Trump was the one and only time in his life when I had some respect for him. This is another, maybe the second time.
I think Pence is a genuinely good person who got hamstrung, maybe beyond redemption, by a Christian upbringing. He really wants to do what's right. At least that is my read on him. He's just all twisted up to where he thinks "doing what's right" is all these horrifying things. But I don't think he's faking. I think, unlike almost everyone he hangs out with, he hasn't figured out it's a con, and is very sincere when he says he's doing the best thing for his country and what God wants him to do.
Nobody gets to the position of Trump's VP with clean hands. It's just that Trump supported Pence being hanged. So like so many other conservatives, once it effects them then it's time to do something about it.
Nobody gets to the position of Trump’s VP with clean hands.
If I was making it sound like I thought he had clean hands, that wasn't the intent. I do not.
It’s just that Trump supported Pence being hanged.
Absolutely. I'm sure that was what woke him up. But now that he's realized what Trump is and that it can impact him personally (which he is surely not the only one, a lot of these people professing absolute admiration for Dear Leader are a lot smarter than Pence about it), what does it gain him to make this tweet? Why are other people in similar positions to Pence not doing the same?
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He is not a genuinely good person. He wants a Christian Taliban theocracy, full of hate and evil.
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I think he had an existenrial crisis after nearly getting lynched by the mob of the person whom he serves, and realized he was in a cult.
Not a good person, but a smart person, smart enough to realize the cult has gone too far.
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But because he had a falling out
That's a very understated way of saying Trump tried to kill him.
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Someone's gonna get sent to his room without supper.
Can't believe I'd ever say Mike Pence said something based, but here we are.
Imaging if the GOP just impeached Trump the first dumb thing he did and let Pence be president. He would have won a second term easily and people would think politics is boring again, and go back to never paying attention to all the stupid shit they get away with
I wish people would quit treating Trump as some freakish anomaly. He isn't. Fascism is gaining ground around the world. This is much, much bigger than the US, and it isn't going away when Trump goes away. This is our reality now, and we have to deal with it.
Donnie incited a lynch mob against him and awoke Captain Electroshock
Ukraine started the war by not giving in to Russia, duh.
It takes two to rape.
Russia was rich and famous after all.
Ukraine was wearing revealing clothing.
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I've honestly heard that argument before. People who are totally not imperialists with red paint talk all about sphere of influences, dividing countries according to that and how Ukraine shouldn't have done this and that if it didn't want Russia to conquer their land.
My dude is getting Night of Long Knivesed for sure
Nah, he's getting Trotsky'd. He's not in the building anymore. Elon Musk is the one who's up for a long-knife night.
Not likely. Musk is the one in charge, and Trump will give him what he wants if he knows what's good for him.
I think musk is gonna get vance to plot an assasination against trump, then blame democrats and declare martial law and suspend the constitution.
Not necessary. Musk is already in control, and they're ignoring the law and the Constitution and they're getting away with it.
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He's won't simply because he's not relevant anymore. If he ever poses an actual threat then maybe.
I'm sure the orange-bad has this guy blocked since Jan 6. Pence is just saying it to get positive attention, not because he thinks orange-bad will read it.
Oh yeah, for sure. Hes out of the current republican party, his only hope is to be part of the new party if it fails.
Just like the Cheneys.
Lets not rehabilitate these people just because the current guy is a literal nazi.
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