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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 93 points 8 months ago

It's worth noting that this guy is talking not of old Bethesda but modern Bethesda. The writing team behind Morrowind and half of Oblivion absolutely cared about the details that only 1% of people might see. Morrowind especially is a world built around you exploring the world building. It's not about levelling up (wowee I can miss the flying fuckheads 2% less now), it was about exploring the politics and cultures in the world.

At some point, Bethesda games became about the mechanical exploration, about going over there because that looks like it might be interesting, oh it's just a cave with combat in it oh well maybe over there will be interesting.

[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.

[-] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 65 points 8 months ago

Skyrim is a great game.... for its time. Todd Howard is the blight on the games industry for putting so many resources toward so many Skyrim remasters/re-releases/money grabs. Even if he outsourced all that work, those are dev houses he could have spent their time helping Bethesda actually fill their huge open worlds and perhaps get the same feeling of "every decision actually matters" that Larion did.

[-] papabobolious@feddit.nu 13 points 8 months ago

It's good in some ways. I was disappointed in the removal of attributes and how the equipment stats were kind of simplified and boring. The lack of proper stat scaling, since there's no stats.

I was also sad to see spellmaking go.

There's still plenty of good in it, don't get me wrong.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Skyrim is great if you want to be a stealth archer.

[-] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

Is there any other way to play?

[-] Nima@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

every build is viable. the stealth archer meme seems a bit overdone to me.

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[-] 768@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Skyrim is twelve years old.

[-] subignition@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

And the stagnation it caused in the genre is evident, no?

[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

No. Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Baldur's Gate 3 all draw influence from Skyrim. I think open world games are better because of Skyrim.

[-] subignition@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

Dragon Age: Inquisition and Witcher 3 both began development in the same year Skyrim released. I don't know if I can really say they were influenced by Skyrim because of the timing, but I haven't played either.

Baldur's Gate 3 drawing influence from Skyrim I will have to vehemently disagree with. That assertion just makes no sense at all.

[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Dungeons and Dragons is literally just a Skyrim knockoff that uses dice.

[-] subignition@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

That one was tough without /s, but ha ha. :)

[-] Dalek_Thal@aussie.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

FWIW, one of the lead developers of Dragon Age Inquisition confirmed that a lot of decisions around that game were EA wanting them to make Skyrim (for instance, the addition of mounts) Source: https://youtu.be/4Q5_RsII_Ho?si=a9CTmyHpEpgfuPTe

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[-] halvo317@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago
[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

So many games wanted to be the next Skyrim, and so they brought over a lot of its systems and design choices. Including the bad ones.

The flood of games going open world, reliance on mods, and marketing through memes.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 70 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Bethesda makes a buggy mess of a semi-passable base game and relies on free labor to turn it into a playable and interesting game.

Larian doesn’t.

There’s your difference.

[-] TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Saved me a click. Thanks!

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

I think a very good distinction is the open-worldness of Elder Scrolls. When you have a virtual map spanning hundreds of acres, all of which you can visit, means the content gets thinned out and walking/climbing/riding around turns into a grind. Not every corner of BG3 has some amazing secret stowed away but I can't think of any place I've visited so far that felt like a waste of my time.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

I think it's a symptom of the old trend of making games 'bigger'. Fallout 4 was four times bigger than Fallout 3 for example.

Bigger isn't better. I want a world where I don't feel the need to fast travel because I know I'll have fun getting to my destination.

[-] delitomatoes@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

Elden Ring had a hybrid approach, oh look a cave, but 80% of the optional areas had interesting enemies, layouts and loot.

Definitely over tuned some extras, but for such a big game it was way better than Shrines or Koroks in Zelda

[-] Radio_717@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

That’s one of the best parts about out Bv games- nothing feels contrived.

[-] hogunner@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

Is it attention to detail? It’s attention to detail, isn’t it?

[-] Kadaj21@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Read that as Astarion, so thanks! Lol

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Sadly I'm one of those people who doesn't enjoy turn based combat, so I always preferred elder scrolls, warts and all.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 14 points 8 months ago

Balder's Gate 3 is so much more than combats

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[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Have you been able to try it? If a friend has a copy, or if you can rent/buy it and then return it, I would try it if you can.

I used to also be very against playing anything turn-based. I thought it was odd and unrealistic. In older games, that was definitely the case at times.

This game though, it draws you right in. You can be very creative with how you fight your enemies, and there is nearly always something new to discover. In my opinion, this game's turn-based mode is more of a strategy game than it is a click and fight. I kind of love that about it.

I initially started playing on my girlfriend's insistence, but sometimes I find it very difficult to put down.

I hope this doesn't come off as pressuring you to play. I'm still kind of shocked I like a turn-based game now, to be honest. I thought that I would always dislike them.

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[-] Everblue@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

Love people down voting you for having an opinion. Some people don't like turn based, that's that. I enjoyed BG3 but I just can't bring myself to start another game, maybe in a couple months or a year. Trying to get through the main storyline in starfield so I can move on to some of the new games coming out, but I keep getting sidetracked.

I played DOS:2 so knew exactly how combat in bg3 would be. Just has a coat of d&d paint is all.

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