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submitted 11 months ago by Getallen@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Are there any private email services

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[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 35 points 11 months ago
[-] jet@hackertalks.com 31 points 11 months ago
[-] lemmyuser30@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago

+1 for mailbox.org

[-] Platform27@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago

Tutanota and Proton are often recommended services. I personally prefer Tutanota, and their encryption. Though, Proton has a nice suite of services, that is worth looking into. Namely their VPN and Drive..

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

E-mail is not a private service by default. You can "try" to mitigate some privacy flaws using PGP for example but PGP is not widespread to be something useful.

[-] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

I switched for Proton Mail paid plan a few months back. Glad I did

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

Throwing in Posteo for your consideration.

[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Weird. Support was top tier when I had issues. I also own a business account for 30-35 people, and the issues we get are easily resolved by Tutanota. You most likely got a bad rep.

[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Very valid. Hope you find a good alternative, as I understand that ass support is very frustrating to deal with.

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I went with tutanota and I'm liking it so far. However I'm fully aware that email not intended for secure infirmation exchange at all.

[-] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The only way to ensure privacy is something like PGP. Encrypt before you send. Heck you could even encrypt before you put the contents into a message body.

With self hosted, the messages themselves aren’t encrypted at rest and they are clear text between hops even if those hops support TLS in transit.

Ultimately the right answer for you will hinge on what your definition and level of privacy is.

[-] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago

Note that PGP only encrypts the body, not the subject, sender, or recipient. So it's only partial encryption and not very private compared to modern messaging services like Matrix. This is a fundamental limitation of email. It's "Pretty Good Privacy", not "Very Good Privacy".

[-] FlappyBubble@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

What exactly do you mean by private with regards to email? What is the problem you're trying to solve.?

[-] lckdscl@whiskers.bim.boats 7 points 11 months ago

What's your threat level?

There's no such thing as fully private. For that, encryption where you control your keys is the way to go. If you're really paranoid then Disroot or Riseup. If you like to be able to use any clients then don't go with Proton or Tutanota. There are a lot of paid mail services, whatever you go with, you just have to read the privacy policy and know what your threat level is. Just purely paying for the services may make you feel better about your privacy but that's not always the case. If you do something the authority doesn't like, the provider gets hit with a subpoena and can hand you over. But again, encryption encryption.

This resource may help you, although the author is pretty paranoid and I don't agree with a lot of their views or writing style, but I think this might be the most comprehensive list for email providers.

[-] jhulten@infosec.pub 2 points 11 months ago

This is important. Without a threat model, recommendations will always be generic. Are you important enough for the NSA to dedicate resources too? You're screwed.

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'd strongly recommend against self hosted email.

Has a team of engineers to manage emails and the company finally gave up and switched to AWS because of constantly deliverability issues. I think the commercial companies won that war.

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Depends what you do with it. The average private person might never notice issues.

[-] caglel@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago

You can use Delta Chat app with any email services.

[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

thanks chat gpt, anyway you got a link to the anarchist cookbook?

[-] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

Hey man, not cool. Atleast mention why this dude is wrong instead of just mocking them. Now I feel you think delta chat is a shit option, but I don't know why. That's not how communication is supposed to work.

Be better, if only to avoid people from turning away from federated social media.

[-] caglel@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

Don't understand your negative reaction. The app encrypt mail with e2e.

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