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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has offered an olive branch to his US counterpart Donald Trump, describing their fiery Oval Office meeting last week as "regrettable".

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I have an endless amount of respect for ANYONE that's willing to swallow their pride and do shit like this when it's in the interests of other people, their country, or whatever.

Takes an actual good human to go 'fuck it, this guy is a complete piece of shit but I'm going to make nice because it's what I need to do for others'.

Can't imagine Musk or Trump or JD doing that, ever.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh man. I really hate to see where this is headed...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ukraine has been gutted by the war and exists as little more than a NATO client-state. Zelenskyy doesn't have any kind of choice, Trump knows it, and so they'll capitulate to western capitalists because they think its preferable to capitulating to Russian capitalists.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it's vastly different than you're selling it. He's clearly playing anything he can to survive

But if Europe started producing their own shit, that's that. America will not hold that business as there will be no buyers and we'll see a repeat of the world wars, weapon manufacturing pops up and within a decade those that embraced it and fill the necessary void will dominate the market. America managed to spin that play for a century and they're selling that position away over the fool that is Trump

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But if Europe started producing their own shit

They'd need to re-industrialize first. Only France and maybe Germany have the capacity or the labor expertise, and they'd both need African/Eastern Europe raw materials.

And this is one of those kinds of projects that take serious organized long term commitments. Would be a significant change from how Europeans have governed over the last two decades.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I disagree. Maybe some weapon systems especially more advanced ones ones but it won't be that difficult, they've done it before

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

it won’t be that difficult, they’ve done it before

:-/

Are we talking about the archibus and the trebuchet?

[–] natecox@programming.dev 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They’re the same picture.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

shrug Wish more people recognized it.

But we're drowning in "We're The Good Ones" propaganda, from Kyiv to Tel Aviv.

[–] III@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

regrettable

Hmm, that's a strange way to spell "planned ambush".

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

War is tactics. This is connected to his people being murdered by russians in the field, which is where the camera not held by liars is pointing.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Hopefully just empty flattery.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I think he's just trolling atp