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For the people who have not yet decided on a search engine. The most EU way you can go is Ecosia or Qwant as they are building their own search index.

Ecosia is my personal pick as its also aimed at planting trees and they have quite a good browser alongside it.

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[–] ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 minutes ago

So many people are happy here. I can understand why but quick reminder that Qwant is not privacy friendly like they claim to be and that the CEO is a bastard who threatened employees.

As for Ecosia, the only green they have is their name. Great they plant trees but they pushed AI so it's basically like if they are destroying the trees they planted.

There is a search engine with their own index from UK, privacy-friendly, it is called Mojeek. It is not as good as the others but I've been using it for maybe 4 months and it already improved a lot. They need users to give feedback and improve. Give it a try ! 😊

[–] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Niiice!

I used Qwant for a month, and the pointless sidebar fucks with keyboard navigation. Having to grab my mouse every time I search is a pain, so I ended up with Startpage instead which I am happy with. Hopefully Startpage will get in on this cooperation as well.

[–] Nanook@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Enamoured with Qwant. Great plugins for iOS/Mac too

We will develop a privacy-first search index, which will be used by both Ecosia and Qwant, and unlike proprietary solutions, we are making the index available to others.

[–] Tenograd@feddit.org 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Good news, needs to happen as fast as possible.

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 4 points 9 hours ago

France and Germany will have it this year, we'll have to see how it evolves further but hopefully its a success!

[–] mattc@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Sounds great! I've been happy with Ecosia currently. I tried Qwant, but I have strict privacy settings enabled in my browser and it says it couldn't get a secure connection. I'm sure it's 100% safe, but I just settled for Ecosia for now. Looking forward to trying out their new partnered search engine.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't mention whether it'll be opensource or not. A proprietary search index that isn't USAian is probably better, but still opensource would be better.

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Don't let perfect stand in the way of better I'd say, in the end both companies still need to make a return on investment

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 9 hours ago

True, it's a first step in the right direction :)

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 14 hours ago

Maybe I'll use Ecosia again

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Now if only anyone of them would offer a paid ad-free option. I'd drop Kagi in an instant

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Perhaps send their support an email about it to see what they say

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 7 points 11 hours ago

Pity they aren't on mastodon :/

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

I use Kagi because of their strong stance against censorship. If I want to find information about controversial topics, I expect my search engine to give me the results it has crawled. I use this community test list to determine if they're censoring results. Most search engines fail this now. I imagine any EU search engine will fail this on day one.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The EU has made numerous moves towards restricting free speech and communication over the last decade, especially in the technology space. These include:

  1. Digital Services Act (DSA) (2022)
  • The DSA imposes strict regulations on large online platforms and search engines (such as Google and Meta).

  • Requires platforms to remove "illegal content" quickly, though the definition of illegal content varies by country.

  • Mandates content moderation transparency but can pressure platforms to suppress speech preemptively.

  • Enables regulators to demand access to platform algorithms and recommend content moderation changes.

  • Forces messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal to comply with EU orders, potentially compromising end-to-end encryption.

  1. Digital Markets Act (DMA) (2022)
  • Primarily aimed at tech monopolies, but also affects search engines and app stores.

  • Limits the ability of platforms to rank their own services higher (e.g., Google prioritizing its own results).

  • Forces companies like Apple to open up iMessage to other messaging services, potentially impacting security.

  1. Terrorist Content Online Regulation (2021)
  • Requires platforms to remove flagged terrorist content within one hour or face heavy fines.

  • No clear appeals process, raising concerns about automatic censorship by algorithms.

  • Governments can demand removals across all EU member states, limiting national sovereignty over content moderation.

  1. General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (2018)
  • Although GDPR focuses on privacy, it has been used to delist certain search results (right to be forgotten).

  • Some critics argue that GDPR can be weaponized to suppress critical information about public figures.

  1. Copyright Directive (2019) – Article 17 (formerly Article 13)
  • Requires platforms to filter copyrighted content before it is uploaded.

  • Forces platforms like YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook to proactively block content using automated filters, which often lead to false positives and excessive censorship.

  • Criticized for making memes and satire more difficult to share due to automated copyright enforcement.

  1. EU Code of Practice on Disinformation (2018, revised 2022)
  • Although voluntary at first, compliance with fact-checking and disinformation policies is now mandatory under the DSA.

  • Forces social media companies to demonetize or downrank "misinformation," often without clear definitions.

  • Involves close cooperation with government-backed fact-checkers, raising concerns about political bias.

  1. Chat Control Legislation (Proposed in 2022)
  • Requires messaging platforms (e.g., WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal) to scan private messages for child abuse content.

  • Critics argue this destroys end-to-end encryption, making all private communication vulnerable.

  • Could lead to mass surveillance under the guise of child protection.

  1. Political Ads Transparency Act (2023)
  • Requires all online political ads to be labeled and traceable.

  • Platforms must track funding sources, but unclear definitions of political content could impact activism and independent journalism.

  • Could be used to limit grassroots campaigns that lack formal funding structures.

  1. Media Freedom Act (2023)
  • Gives the EU more oversight over media ownership and state influence on journalism.

  • Some journalists worry it could be used to pressure media outlets to align with EU narratives.

These are just the laws. There have been uncounted statements by EU leaders about greater control over the kind of information they wish to allow transmitted in the EU. All of these Acts are rooted in good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. At minimum, a significant portion of the results in the test list above would be banned under existing legislation.

I can imagine the prompt to generate this:

  1. Make a list of EU regulations that apply to tech giants and explain what they are.
  2. For each of the regulations add one example that oversimplifies the potential downsides
  3. Ommit any advantages

A troll trolling.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 3 points 7 hours ago

Ah yes, because regulations are so horrible, right?

It stands in the way of "innovation".

God forbid we protect our citizens!

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[–] buyeuropean@feddit.org 5 points 14 hours ago

This is the way! Excited to try it!

[–] Extrawurst@feddit.org 46 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

Great! Ecosia works super well, and it feels good to not having to rely on google to find things. Only thing I’d wish for is that they’d have some map service or similar to find restaurants and shop. There is sadly no good replacement for google maps that I’ve found

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

i mean you kinda need to specify what you want from a map, there are a bunch of things that google maps is actively the worst at

[–] Extrawurst@feddit.org 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For sure, one specific thing is being able to find a restaurant in the vicinity, seeing some kind of review system of its reception, and knowing if it’s open or not and having a link to a menu or its homepage. Another (albeit extremely specific) case is looking up a secondhand store in the vicinity of where I am - I tried this with here wego when I was out recently but it showed me a store that no longer existed. Of course might be a unlucky coincidence (google maps for sure has nonexisting stores too), but I’m 0 for 1 atm.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago

best alternative would probably be something like tripadvisor, for restaurants

obviously it's not exactly a vastly less shitty option, but at least it's not google.

You could also use open street maps. For mobile I recommend using Organic Maps.l Only problem is, that the search isn't that good.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 9 points 14 hours ago

Organic Maps

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 4 points 12 hours ago

Its already been mentioned but if you don't need reviews you can use Here WeGo maps. Its a good alternative and with more users (who make fixes if something is missing) it'll get better and better

[–] StrangeMed@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Try Here WeGo maps, it's the closest one to Google maps but European

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Ecosia works well enough for me too. The tree planting thing should never be forgotten. The scope of their work is impressive and they're very transparent about their goals and funding. No other search engine comes close to that.

[–] Comptero@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

The tree planting sounds so much like greenwashing and an excuse to serve ads

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I listened to a podcast a couple years ago. The founder talked about how he made sure that Ecosia can not be sold and monetized, he himself is not making much money from it. My english is not good enough to explain it in more detail. :)
I see greenwashing everywhere, but as far as I can tell from the podcast and their YouTube, this is legit.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

200 million trees. Far from greenwashing.

Folks, critical thinking is more important than ever these days. Making conclusions based on a brain fart - when we have the internet at our fingertips - is partly why the world is the way it is.

[–] Phytobus@lemm.ee 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Both are great! In my experience Qwant gives better search results, so thats what i use. I even prefer Qwant's results over Google's. But Ecosia is a great option as well because of the tree planting.

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 4 points 12 hours ago

I use Ecosia for personal use and Qwant for work. So I support both!

Ecosia is my personal choice because of the tree planting as well. But I agree Qwant results are a bit better, which for me only matters while I work.

[–] barnacul@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Is either one worth the switch from duckduckgo?

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago
[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 points 11 hours ago

I personally never really liked duckduckgo. I'd say Qwant is the better one of the two in terms of results (I use it for work) but for personal use I choose Ecosia for the environmental impact, the results are getting better but not on Qwants level yet

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