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Just watched the Boy Boy video on George Bushโ€™s Masterclass, and they made me think about which U.S. President was actually worse.

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[โ€“] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Public opinion was very much in favor of the war in Afghanistan after 9/11. Maybe not so much Iraq, but it's hard to blame Bush squarely for those wars when they had bipartisan support.

Bush is done doing damage to our country, and might actually be considered a voice of reason compared to today's Republicans.

It's definitely already Trump, and he's not even done doing damage yet.

Even if Republicans elect someone who is identical to Trump in his words, views, and actions, that person would still be better for the country than Trump. It's critically important for the justice department to hold him accountable for the insurrection and trying to overthrow our democracy, or it WILL happen again.

[โ€“] Cad@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

You should dig a little further into the run up to the Iraq war. If you like podcasts checkout the first season of "Blowback". Pretty in depth history. Trump was awfull in other ways but the Bush administration has the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands.

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[โ€“] kglitch@kglitch.social 9 points 11 months ago
[โ€“] charonn0@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Bush was bad. But Trump was dangerous.

Like, if Bush were somehow to be elected again I wouldn't be alarmed, I'd be annoyed.

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[โ€“] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Bush. But most people will say Trump simply because its more recent.

[โ€“] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

of the two, Trump did more damage while he was president and had the bigger riot when he lost the popular vote, but Bush's legacy of damage lasted from when he launched his forever wars in 02 all the way into the Biden administration

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[โ€“] Hedup@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bush may have started devastating wars that lasted for decades, but I blame Trump for the war in Ukraine. There have been no worse war since WWII. And it may have been prevented if Ukraine would've received the military assistance during his Presidency they were asking for before Russia invaded.

[โ€“] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Ukraine. There have been no worse war since WWII.

17,000 civilian deaths in Ukraine vs 280,000 in Iraq. What is your definition of "worse"?

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[โ€“] guyrocket@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Especially galling was "W" making a "funny" video where he pretended he was looking for weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). Quite the pos in retrospect.

ETA: Found it, sorry quality is so poor. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YgJx8VGRA

[โ€“] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Definitely Trump. Tried to subvert democracy, wholly unprofessional attitude as president (in my opinion the first president to not even attempt "rising to the office" at all), handled the economy with the tact of a middle schooler, and (allegedly) divulged / kept classified documents. He is also a civilly liable rapist. All of this I think makes Trump the third worst president of all time, behind James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce.

George Bush is easily the second worst president in modern history, his initial response to 9/11 was a highpoint, but afterwards he started a useless war and, although he incorrectly wouldn't see it this way, bent at the knee to terrorism by subverting constitutional rights for the purposes of mass searches and seizures of information without a warrant or reasonable cause. (i.e. Patriot Act). It's been a while since I hashed out a whole list, but I believe I had Bush somewhere between 7th and 12th worst or so.

Both are absolute pieces of shit.

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[โ€“] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Bush, but he had a more classy kind of dumb evil. The kind where you keep your mouth shut. Dumb evil + mouth that won't shut up is just unbearable in the moment. But looking back historically I think Bush's actual actions as a leader will appear the most fucked up in recent history. This is like comparing unstoppable diarrhea to constipation so bad you are vomiting shit though.

[โ€“] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Bush was worse internationally, Trump was worse domestically. If he got one more term, who'd know?

[โ€“] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

George literally succeeded at doing a coup through the Supreme court

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