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I've updated the Digital Independence cheat sheet for leaving big tech (lemmy.world)

submitted 20 hours ago by lukakopajtic@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

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I never imagined the original post would go so viral and be seen by +6M people. But I guess it shows there’s real momentum — and the perfect time to finally escape big tech’s grip.

I went through hundreds of reposts of the image and took in feedback from community comments. I’ve replaced USA-centralized apps like Brave and Bluesky with more open alternatives, and added self-hosting indicators.

As many of you recommended, I’ve also created an online version with descriptions that we can constantly update and improve.

Drop a comment if you have suggestions for a better alternative, improved description, or a feature for the site. Let's break free together!

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[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

As with all impromptu lists, this one is pretty flawed. For example, as much as I love it, lineageOS is not useful for "digital independence" in any meaningful sense, since it's just a more cleaned up version of android. Or PeerTube, which can't really be considered a realistic alternative to yt. It's fine in itself, but it's so small and so hard to scale that you might just be better off giving up the yt format altogether. And then there's Thunderbird. I love it but it's a CLIENT, you'll still need a mail provider.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

LineageOS is worse than that. You can't have it and also have local security as you cannot lock your phone bootloader with an unsigned image. You can't protect yourself from anyone with physical access to the phone.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So the moment you get lineage anyone with physical access can install bootloader things in your phone? Eg cerberus?

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

Can install any software

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

LineageOS uses microG which does mock some GSF API and reduce metadata sent through to the rest. GrapheneOS could be a better alternative but there isn't enough second hand Pixels available for everyone.

Peertube is perfectly fine and we should start using it and encourage creators to move to an instance

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I have no idea how to use PeerTube. Installed it on my phone, found no interesting videos to watch, at all. I wonder how would it scale, like how easy/hard would it be to find videos I'm interested in.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Peertube is decentralized like Lemmy. I think you have to add instances you want to browse from

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

LibreWolf is not an alternative to chrome, it's a fork of FF. It won't run Chrome extensions... which chrome users would likely expect to be able to run.

For a Chrome alternative, I use Vivaldi (which is based in the EU)
As a Firefox alternative, I use Waterfox

[–] dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What separates waterfox from firefox or librewolf?

[–] Forester@pawb.social 5 points 18 hours ago

Different Dev teams

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Session
Signal
GPG2
VLC
Tuta
OpenKeychain
KeePassXC
NetGuard
Mullvad
Ironfox
BLE Radar
Transmission
Obfuscate
Monero/Haveno

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Signal?

Lmao

Edit: some people don't seem to grasp the irony? Signal is a US company (and tied to the gov)

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The app. The crypto calling & texting app. There's even a desktop/laptop side rig it can join the act for it's op to give you a solid keyboard for your chatting superior to their brain numbing thumb rhetorical mouse wheelage.

Looking kind of shady for the side rig today tho. I can't use it cuz it leaks and it don't have shit about wtf to do or just not use that aspect. Frustration. Session is getting to be my shit these days because of that.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

What have I just read? I don't understand half of your message sorry

Also I'm not sure you know what you're saying with "crypto" since you are on a monero themed instance. Signal does have cryptography indeed but I'm not sure I understand your point. But please explain I'll try my best :)

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

You asked what signal was, I interpreted. If you had the Q up to sign some other inquiry, it's you that needs to be a bit more verbose. If you know what signal is then damn near everything I wrote is unessesary to need to understand bar maybe the whine ass shit about signal's lacking security to function on the Desktop connection.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Ok thanks! You were explaining Signal

I added a precision to my original comment so it's clear for everyone

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Now THAT makes perfect sense. So to that I MUST say:

Hence Session>Signal.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Thank you for your recommendation

Though I have to say it seems kinda very wobbly and not yet trustable. Also how does every right-wing cryptobro app have this flare to it that makes it obvious it's built on Blockchain? (I'm talking about UI details, this is not important, just a question)

What is wrong with SimpleX? It has always been a solid choice for private chats when Matrix was not a secure enough solution

[–] lath@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's a start, but the goal should be to have multiple options. Any monopoly can either be bought or abused and we should work towards making those as hard as possible.

[–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago

While I’d generally agree, I don’t think fediverse platforms having a monopoly is as dangerous.

Social media requires a sort of monopoly to work well, I think federation is a good approach here.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 5 points 15 hours ago

Hello, very nice guide:)

I'd just like to bring to your attention, a very thorough comparison of messengers you might want to check😄

https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I don’t think piracy is a proper alternative to paying for commercial content.

Free content is.

So it shouldn’t be on this chart IMO. It’s a separate topic. It’s not a good look to lump piracy in with open/free software ideology.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 10 points 19 hours ago

Droidify is just a bloated wrapper for F-Droid

[–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

OpenSUSE Linux from Nuremberg!

[–] magnetichuman@fedia.io 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Where can I find the best Android alternative for my old-ass devices that don't support Lineage OS?

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

For most of those devices, it depends what your goals are, but many privacy minded folks consider them unsalvageable.

If you can root the device, you could install the latest compatible version of the Android Open Source Project, and then use your newfound root powers to disable components you don't want, to the extent that the older versions of Android support doing so.

Technically, that's all LineageOS is doing for you. So if you're willing to put the effort in, the device can be salvaged. For most of us, it makes more sense to get a newer device, researching what OS-es are supported.

[–] MischievousGT@feddit.org 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Last time I used thunderbird was many years ago, like 10 years or so. Can you create a mail adress there? How does it compare to other providers like Tuta, Proton, Posteo and others?

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It's an email client, not an email provider. It can be used to receive/send emails from almost any provider, not to create new ones.

[–] CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, as Thunderbird is just a mail client, and not a provider, it’s not really an “alternative”. It should list StartMail, Mailbox.org, Tutanota, etc. Since people are used to using web clients for emails, I don’t think suggesting a desktop app that still requires an provider is necessary, just creates confusion.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 3 points 20 hours ago

Yes, there are quite a few approximations in the list ;)

in the EU/Western Europe, as an e mail provider I would suggest in no order: maibox.org, proton, tuta and owning your own domain but that one last option (teh best one, imho) may already be too technical for most users.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 4 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, I saw that one pretty quick and wondered why they did that. Mailbox.org is a better option than just putting 'thunderbird'.

[–] inamorta345@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Total noob here, can stremio be used to escape big tech legally?

[–] snail_stampede@midwest.social 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Not really, but big tech breaks the laws all the time so why shouldn't you?

[–] inamorta345@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's not a moral thing, I just don't have the luxury of evading the law like big tech

[–] snail_stampede@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

VPNs make it easy and affordable but yeah, if the juice isn't worth the squeeze for you that's understandable. There is a bit of setup/maintenance as well that can get sort of complicated.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago

I didn't want to mention this on Reddit because there's many more people there, but are you guys aware of P-Stream?

It actually replaces Netflix. The legality of the service is... Questionable, at best, however.

[–] sorter_plainview 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

What was the original post? I could not find anything on your profile.

[–] Blaze@feddit.nl 1 points 20 hours ago

Nice, thanks!

[–] vesi@lemm.ee -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Treema. No maytrix

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 0 points 16 hours ago

Session>Threema