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Almost all business applications have horizontal menus and ribbons that take up a decent percentage of a landscape monitor instead of utilising the "spare" screen space on the left or right, and a taskbar usually sits at the bottom or top of the screen eating up even more space (yes I know this can be changed but it's not the default).

Documents are traditionally printed/read in portrait which is reflected on digital documents.

Programmers often rotate their screens to be portrait in order to see more of the code.

Most web pages rarely seem to make use of horizontal real estate, and scrolling is almost universally vertical. Even phones are utilised in portrait for the vast majority of time, and many web pages are designed for mobile first.

Beyond media consumption and production, it feels like the most commonly used workplace productivity apps are less useful in landscape mode. So why aren't more office-based computer screens giant squares instead of horizontal rectangles?

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[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

3:2 and 4:3 used to be fairly common but I think economies of scale made everything 16:9 because of TVs

Fortunately 16:10 is becoming more popular again which does give a bit more vertical space

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah. Strange that in general the applications themselves haven't transitioned with the hardware. Every office desktop seems to have a widescreen, but every office application still has its menus along the top by default, and does little to take advantage of the increased horizontal space.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At work I usually need to have multiple windows up, so no one window spans the width of the display. It's often nice to have two documents side-by-side instead.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it's Windows give Fancy Zones (included in PowerToys) a whirl. Modifiable window snap zones are excellent.

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[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you have VESA mounts at your desk just use one in portrait and one in landscape, at least that's what I do

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Exactly what I do too, then had a shower thought about why I had to.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's also about the lease common denominator a 16:9 screen will show the aspect ratio of a 4:3 but a 4:3 won't show a 16:9. The whole point of a 16:9 was to fit all common ratios without distortion.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Won't they both show 16:9 or 4:3 but with black bars either vertically or horizontally?

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah but to show a 16:9 on a 4:3 it would be so small you would have more than half your screen taken up by black bars. It's the whole reason 16:9 was created to also help with the flat and scope film formats. To finally get rid of the awful practice of pan and scan.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That just isn’t true. Viewing 16:9 on 4:3 doesn’t mean half your screen is black bars.

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[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Forgot to say, I reckon your economies of scale answer is the reason why. TVs were, so makes sense for monitors to be.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It sounds like people in your workspace haven’t discovered opening multiple windows side by side.

I’ve found people in the windows world often make everything full screen all the time- such a waste. You have a 40” 6k display and you open a single giant word doc.

You could have 3 or more documents open side by side- or a webpage for reference, a notepad, and your work or 1000 other combinations.

I do development work so my workflow is extremely text heavy, but it’s rare that I don’t have 4+ windows open simultaneously per display. I also use an old dell monitor I had laying around rotated 90 degrees as others mentioned for log monitoring or chat threads.

I think people just need to get more creative using their space- it’s not the monitor’s fault if you don’t fill it with stuff.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

the most commonly used workplace productivity apps are less useful in landscape mode.

They aren't less useful, they just don't take advantage of the extra space on their own. A wide monitor allows you to put multiple windows side-by-side without the expense of an additional monitor though.

With that in mind; a wide monitor is useful for document editing, web browsing, media viewing/production, gaming, and can even be rotated (stand/mount permitting) for a tall view if desired.

A square monitor is much more limited.

[–] Buelldozer 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

With that in mind; a wide monitor is useful for ... web browsing

Are you serious? As I'm typing this comment Lemmy has just over 4" of totally unused space on the left of my monitor and 3 1'2" of unused space on the right!

Seriously, see for yourself!

Granted that's not the fault of the monitor but not only does widescreen reduce the amount of viewable area top to bottom modern web hackery doesn't even fucking use all of that extra space side to side!

I have about the same viewable area now as I did in 2000 with a 20" "square" monitor!

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (15 children)

they just don't take advantage of the extra space on their own. A wide monitor allows you to put multiple windows side-by-side without the expense of an additional monitor though.

A square monitor is much more limited.

Stop making a single browser window full screen and use the additional space on the side for something useful. A chat application, a notepad, a calculator, file browsing, a second browser window, documents, etc.

Or rotate the display to be tall instead of wide if you really want the extra vertical space.

Just because you haven't bothered to take advantage of the space doesn't mean it's useless. You've just trapped yourself in a close-minded box. Making the monitor wider doesn't 'reduce the amount of viewable area top to bottom', it adds additional area to the sides, primarily for additional tasks in an office setting. It's up to you to actually use it.

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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you're using anything full screen, you're doing it wrong

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The market is to optimize for max human eyesight, which is a horizontal aspect ratio. For edge cases, a monitor can be converted to a vertical aspect ratio easily.

There really isn't a large market to go square. If anything, monitors have gotten wider over time.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago

Not to mention I only want to go wider.

The immersion for gaming is all I car for, my work laptop is for work and it's something I hardly use as a mechanic

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am a big fan of 21:9 aspect ratio because it is wide when you want it but can be square(ish) when you don't by snapping two windows sode by side.

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[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I still have one of these at home

I think it's 5:4

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know about that one but "before" most screens were 4:3.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Think I had the exact same one in about 2008!

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yup my school had hundreds. They shoukd have kept them, they're the nokia brick of monitors.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We did that for decades. It was pretty miserable.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I reckon that was more to do with the actual screen size though. Screens are a fuckload bigger and cheaper these days.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, I think not, having lived on them, and not wanting to go back.

Its about information density. The "things" we interact with, they almost never fit into an equal dimensional density across two dimensions. There is almost always more substantially more information in one dimension than the other.

A spread sheet you are interacting with is almost always either longer in one way, or wider in another. Even if it wasn't, creating a manner in which it could be optimally viewed would make the content irrelevantly small.

We're better off picking one of the two dimensions, committing to an orientation, and then rotating our monitor to fit that. If we do that, we'll get more information per unit area on the screen.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Assuming the software takes that into account too though, yes?

I mean, yes we can rotate screens if the hardware allows for it, but the defaults always seem to be "screen is horizontal, software control is also horizontal", therefore eating up a percentage of the available working document space, which itself, is generally portrait.

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I suspect the answer is because computer monitors evolved from televisions and video monitors, which standardised on 4:3 and, later, 16:9 for media viewing.

There was a brief period during the switch to LED when 3:2 and then 16:10 looked like they could take over, but 16:9 made a comeback and monitors have remained mostly in lockstep with modern TVs ever since.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I kinda liked 16:10, briefly had a work monitor with it.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

That was the absolute best. 1920x1200.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

For me 16:10 was so functionally identical to 16:9 that I never bothered to make the switch personally

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Humans (and most other animals) see better side-to-side than up-down. Your eyes are spaced horizontally, giving us a wider horizontal field of vision. People generally prefer putting things side-to-side in work environments, maybe also reflecting how much easier it is to move and work within a horizontal plane than a vertical one. So the upper threshold for monitor width would be longer than the upper threshold for monitor height.

That being said, I know reading is best done in narrower columns, to reduce the amount of left-right movement your eyes need to do which can cause you to lose your place when skimming lines. Three columns of text on a 16:9 monitor is way more readable than one column of text that spans the entire monitor.

And then why do we make an exception for phones which are predominantly used in portrait mode? I guess maybe just for easier 1-handed use? Maybe also to give us more peripheral vision of potential hazards and other things happening in the background when using them, since they're mobile devices.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

You turn your secondary monitor 90 degrees and rotate the screen in display settings. This is how I worked on long list items.

We see on a wide horizontal plane, so maybe there is a connection to that?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

A 16:9 screen is basically two squares side by side, so instead of making a big square they can just make the landscape monitor bigger until it's large enough that you can comfortable view two documents side-by-side. I definitely prefer 16:10 or 3:2, though.

[–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Modern squarish (16:18) monitors do exist, a friend has one and swears by it. For example, this one isn't even that expensive given the size, resolution and that it's bundled with what looks like an excellent monitor arm.

Personally I'm more in the "two windows side by side on a big ass 16:9" camp.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

I imagine it has to do with binocular vision. If each eye sees roughly a circle, overlapping roughly makes a landscape rectangle. So perhaps that aspect ratio and orientation just "feels" better?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nothing would look good on a square monitor.

If you want a tall monitor, turn it sideways.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What do you mean by look good though? My question is based on productivity, and why software seems geared towards having top-down functionality on screens that generally provide more width.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A vertical monitor is better for productivity than a square one.

What is a square monitor good for? Seems a jack of all trades and master of none.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah but vertical monitor with extra width is even better πŸ˜‚

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I tried for a while to use two 16:9 vertically. Like you say, vertical makes a lot of sense and it works great. But web devs seem universally to assume that if it’s a tall narrow screen, to show the mobile version.

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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Remember when PSUs used to have a power port in it that you plugged your monitor in to?

That was a great idea and wish it still existed but I guess they needed all the space for all the millions of peripherals that got added.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

It’s easier on your neck to look side to side than it is up and down. So to get more screen real estate it makes more sense to go horizontal. Anecdotally, I constantly have two documents or a document and a web page open next to each other on one monitor. The landscape framing works really well for that.

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