Colorado. Neat. Are any of these suits being brought in key swing states? Those are what matter. Maybe this will set precedent for other states.
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Yeah, I’m leaning toward precedent.
Looks like just Colorado for now.
Minnesota just started theirs. If both states say no Trump, that's 20 less electoral votes, right?
But if the only states that pass this go blue anyways, it’s more of a symbolic win. Although it will certainly tank his popular vote numbers for all the good that will do.
Shouldn't even be necessary. I remember seeing his speeches months before the election, and I could tell he was setting up to overthrow the election then.
Any idiot with half a brain knew what he was up to, and I'm not even in the US. It would have been even more obvious there
Bill Maher was saying this as well for like the entire year leading up to Jan 6th, and he's not exactly the brightest bulb in the tulip patch.
Yeep, I think everyone with half a brain feared for the peaceful transfer of power early in his presidency, or even back during his first campaign. Reporters asked him every now and then if he'd accept the results and he always answered wannabe-dictator shit. Then to the leading to the 6th of jan it was plain as day that he would pull something with the mail-in bailots as a justification to overthrow the government. Then of course it fucking happens, and a third of the country is playing dumb. If you were reading the alt-right popular forum you knew it was meant to be their big day, a lot of people were armed that day but they pussied out
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It came after a lawyer for Mr. Trump asked for a “directed verdict” — essentially a conclusion, even before the defense had called any witnesses, that no legally sufficient basis existed for the plaintiffs to prevail.
The case — one of several similar ones around the country — was filed by six Colorado voters who argue that Mr. Trump is disqualified under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars from office anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the Constitution after having taken an oath to support it.
They included two experts intended to build the case that Mr. Trump incited far-right extremists to attack the Capitol and that this constituted “engaging in insurrection,” as those words were understood when the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868.
Peter Simi, a professor of sociology at Chapman University and an expert on political extremism, testified Tuesday that the far right used “doublespeak” — language that insiders understood to be calling for violence, but that maintained plausible deniability.
Among other sources, Professor Magliocca cited congressional debate records; court rulings; legal analyses written by the attorney general at the time; and two instances after the Civil War, but shortly before the 14th Amendment was ratified, in which Congress refused to seat members.
Mr. Trump’s team argued that his statements before Jan. 6 were too far removed to meet the “imminent” standard; that nothing he said on Jan. 6 called for violence; and that, even if it had, his mention of marching “peacefully and patriotically” would negate violent intent.
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his mention of marching “peacefully and patriotically” would negate violent intent.
OK cool now explain "proud boys stand back and stand by"?
Engaged in, sure that's a hard argument to make. Certainly the giving aid or comfort to - especially giving comfort to - part is inarguable. It reads pretty clearly that the intent of the law is if you're in any way connected to insurrection/rebellion and you do not immediately condemn and disavow those actions you're fully compliant as far as the legal system is concerned.
Trump was actively involved in the planning and organizing. That he was giving the top-level order rather than following it or figuring out the details is rather irrelevant.
*2021, not 2020. Imagine…
Thanks for spotting that typo. Fixed