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submitted 8 months ago by imgprojts@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

Look at that shit! Before it was here are your two browsers choose! Now it's...how about for the letter A? Suppose a website starts with an A, would you choose Edge to be your default browser?... then you choose chrome or Firefox, and when you click on a link Edge Pops up with some shit like...Are you really sure you wanna use Firefox to view websites that start with the letter A?

Fuck Microsoft! Give us a fucking break you assholes! You are this turd of a company that is just stuck to company's assholes and that's the only reason any fly will ever touch your software.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 107 points 8 months ago

I'll be honest, there was a time when Edge was a really nice browser. Probably the best of the chromium browsers. It had an excellent reader mode, impeccable PDF viewer, and a few small quality of life tweaks that actually improved shopping, privacy, Etc. But then Microsoft did what Microsoft does and filled it with bloat, needless features, an unclosable assistant, and ever more aggressive tracking.

In a year, they'll abandon it and rebrand it the new Bing browser, and the cycle repeats

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 49 points 8 months ago

Firefox has a really nice reader mode, it will soon get a much better PDF viewer and it doesn't come with much bloat. You can also use LibreWolf to fully minimize bloat in Firefox and enjoy the additional privacy benefits.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

That's why I switched back to Firefox. In the end, I always switch back to Firefox.

[-] optissima@possumpat.io 4 points 8 months ago

I love your combos in Melee

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[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'm a browser nerd. I love seeing what's out there, testing different features, etc. So I'm usually jumping between two browsers in addition to my daily driver at any given time. I used Edge as a secondary browser for a few months when the MacOS beta became available and as far as performance is concerned it was a legitimately good browser. You're also right, it had some nice features of its own that made it worthwhile as a Chrome alternative (assuming the obvious privacy issues were not a concern for someone, it was at least a decent lateral option to consider.)

By the time I eventually got around to revisiting Edge recently I was disappointed to find they've made an absolute mess of it. It's the most bloated piece of crap on the market.

[-] Thassodar@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

I only started using Edge because people were saying it was the only way to get true HD on Netflix. Now it's a secondary browser, and I can't say I like it much.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 points 8 months ago

there was a time when Edge was a really nice browser. Probably the best of the chromium browsers.

Except the tracking bits. Like Chrome, but worse.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 months ago

It's funny that a lot of this is people with bullshit jobs trying to justify their existence. A company this big gets bloated internally with staff - especially middle management - that will manipulate information to prevent themselves from becoming redundant, so they will insist that their specific project is super important and they absolutely need every engineer working for them, because their prestige and pay are connected to how many people they manage. So then your software fills up with useless junk until the problem gets so bad it can't be ignored. There's a big internal shake-up and products get rebranded but most of the organisational bloat remains, so the cycle starts again.

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[-] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago

You want us to use Edge? Then stop sucking, and respect our privacy. Oh, wait...that's the antithesis of Microsoft's philosophy.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Do you consider Edge to be worse than Chrome?

/edit: I asked because they said "You want us to use Edge" when evidently many people do use Chrome, and I don't see Edge being noticeably worse than Chrome.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

It was at least running its own engine until a couple years ago. But now, you may as well use chrome.

But don't use chrome. Use Firefox.

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[-] King4408@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

It is chrome, but bloated with microsoft crap.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

It is chrome with a different tracking system

[-] MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

It's chrome without Google's ad "privacy" bullshit.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

It has Microsoft's one, tough. It isn't different

[-] MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

It is different. Chrome automatically opted US users into their new "topics" advertising feature which allows Google to use your browser history to assign topics of interest to you and use it to deliver targeted adverts at you.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2023/09/07/new-google-chrome-targeted-ad-tracking-heres-how-to-stop-it/

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[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Both absolutely suck. Use Firefox or LibreWolf, Mull is a great option on Android!

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

And Google's, Apples, etc, etc.

Mind, I'm not saying that to excuse any of them.

At least at one time MS "produced" (that is to say, acquired) some really great software (Office 4.2 was a massive game changer). But they couldn't wait for everyone to be always connected to implement their telemetry game (which they were actively developing in the mid 90's).

[-] aelwero@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Maybe someone should sue them for overly tight integration of their browser into their os...

Might work, I mean, it worked once before, lol

[-] harry315@feddit.de 8 points 8 months ago

Apple standing on the side: 👀

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[-] StraightArrow@feddit.de 26 points 8 months ago

I can't believe Micro$oft is still trying to pull this shit after it was fined for this in the European Union.

Hopefully, they'll fine them again, because this is unacceptable.

No, I don't use Windows, but people who use it and are less tech savvy should not be jumping through so many hoops to make the switch

[-] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Apple is almost as bad with Safari on MacOs and you can't even really change the browser on IOS. But everyone shits on Microsoft.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 5 points 8 months ago

Android is getting there too You have to jump through a lot of hoops not to use Chrome

[-] EddieTee77@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Thank you! I don't like either approach but I hate that only one gets this much flack

[-] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the reason for the dichotomy is their purported motivation for doing so.

I say “purported” because I know Lemmy has a bone to pick with Apple’s privacy claims, and I would prefer to gracefully avoid it, but I will say that, regardless of the extent to which Apple collects user data, it is easy to ensure that they aren’t hyper-aggressively monetizing it.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

Interestingly, if you install Chrome or Firefox, you won’t see them as choices. But if you install the Brave browser, you will see it as an option — and if you select that, then whenever you click on a news link in the Widget pane, it will come up in Brave.

Fick everything about this

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 8 months ago

Naggy advertising pop-ups and forced installs vastly increased resistance to Windows 10. So I don't get how Microsoft doesn't know it would scare users away from Edge.

Giving marketing the benefit of the doubt, I'd blame executive management for the aggressive push. They're the ones who push for draconian DRM and crunching based on their feelings.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, it's baffling that they don't learn these lessons, but these kinds of corporations already exist to exploit customers by witholding their products until money is exchanged - in fact they have whole departments dedicated to preventing piracy - so the general lesson of "don't enshittify your product to attempt to exploit customers" is sort of an existential threat to them.

So they must avoid the lesson, and they do that by replicating that same exploitation relationship internally with their employees, creating a low-information environment where the actual creators of the product cannot be honest with management about what the product needs, and customer service can't relay the feedback they get from customers. Any information that does get to management, they are free to ignore. Every command flows top down, just like the money flows bottom up.

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 8 months ago

Some may call this malware?

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 15 points 8 months ago

For this example, I’m using Google Chrome

So you wrote this whole article about how to switch to the only browser worse than Edge. Well done.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Did you guys know you can run Edge on Linux natively? I installed it for shits and giggles once before throwing up and apt purging that shit as fast as I could.

Oh, you can run VS Code as well, but I think that IDE is actually kinda useful. At least for the embedded PlatformIO shit I do. If there's another IDE with that sort of integration as well as Github, then I'm willing to try it.

[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

VSCodium- all of the perks, None of the telemetry tracking. Minimal tweaks to a config file lets you use the same plugins that “only” work in VSCode.

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago

For a breif moment, you were the entire user base on Linux.

[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

RIP antitrust laws

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

Their design philosophy is so bad. They've made probably the most bloated web browser in existence. No wonder people go to Chrome, it doesn't have 90% of the useless clutter.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

The easiest way to get out of this Edge shit is to just replace Windows completely.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I just set my default browser and install MSEdgeRedirect. It's like EdgeDeflector, except it's not been abandoned. Its latest version even "grounds CoPilot", as the dev so nicely put it.

[-] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

I couldn't find a complaint with a quick googling.... probably because Google is now a shitty place to find stuff. But check out the process for changing over to another browser. It's so fucking annoying.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

My solution was changing over to another operating system. I've had it to here with Microsoft, and with Proton on Steam being great as it is I really had no more excuses to stick to Windows.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah my laptop now runs Mint and my pc windows because of reasons (scanner soft, I know Photoshop really well, 3dsmax, I'm lazy, ...).

Every time I open up my windows pc it had rebooted and not stayed in deep sleep, and everything is more and more just complicated.

I spend more and more time on my laptop... where it doesn't feel line I'm on a browser without an adblocker. I also excuse any (rare) problems way easier as I think it's just a bug, not someones feature.

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