DuckDuckGo/Bing is pretty bad at finding stuff in my native language. That's why I use Startpage (and sometimes even Google) more nowadays.
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Kagi is pretty amazing. You have to pay but the peace of mind is worth it for the respect of your privacy. FastGPT is a phenomenally helpful tool that I use multiple times per day. Kagi.com
Thank you for the suggestion. I tried Kagi a couple of times, but it missed the useful results that DDG or Google were giving, so I dropped it.
It depends of course on what kinds of searches one typically needs. Probably there isn't a universally best search engine.
you can search through brave or google using mullvads leta:
I use it all the time, just wish they had an image search tab. That's the only thing I switch search engines for now.
You can try hosting a searxng instance. If not try some public searxng instances. https://searx.space/
This.
DDG often sucks, but the aggregation evens that out. Plus you can use google without giving them anything. My instance runs via VPN e.g.
Been using Qwant for about a month. Feels like of like old Google did, very happy.
Only place it’s lacking is image search, but Google has been pretty shite for the past year too.
Same, but I've found Quants image search to be good enough.
It’s passable so I don’t really mind it. It uses Bing’s image search if I remember right.
i have noticed that i get fewer results from ddg lately, and local (server-side geoip driven) and totally irrelevant shit frequently thrown in starting below the fold on page 1.
but ddg has been my go-to for years. and very rarely do i need to look elsewhere for a different 'perspective'--picking from the others configured in my browser: ecosia, startpage, qwant, mojeek. i have a couple instances of self-hostable meta engines in there too, but those are too unreliable to count on for regular use.
I’ve tried other search engines any times. Despite the worsening google search somehow is still much better than alternatives.
I use DDG and can't say I've had an uptick in the amount of !g I have to do. The only one recently was for an image search but that's pretty normal when looking for something obscure.
Don't have any solutions, but figured another input might be interesting.
It's very likely to depend on the kinds of searches I do, indeed. Although I think it's the same as in the previous years. Could also be just a subjective impression, so I'll try to keep count of how often the "!g" really leads to better results.
I think in the last few years DDG has been improving and google has been worsening for general searching. Because I have nearly stopped using !g before I used it constantly.
I still use google at work as the results there match a bit better.
I haven't really experienced a worsening of DDG, and this is a bit off topic, perhaps, but—
I have yet to find a better alternative to Google's video search. Google Books also remains valuable in many ways, since it will give you different "search inside the book"-type search results than the Internet Archive will (and they also have some books that IA does not).
What's annoying to me is that StartPage, which is supposed to have Google search results, and by and large does, does not give the same video results as Google (go ahead, try it). It would also be nice to have an Invidious or FreeTube type front end for Google Books, and I believe there used to be something like that, but not any longer.
Some Google products still have definite value, it's just important that they derive no benefit from us using them.
I remember reading that there was something "fishy" with Startpage, which is why I abandoned it quickly. But don't remember where.
Luckily I don't often search for videos, but I agree that it seems difficult to find good search alternatives there.
For what it's worth, Mullvad recently opened up Leta to people without Mullvad VPN accounts. It's a google/brave search proxy so pretty much what Startpage claims to do, but I trust Mullvad to actually respect my privacy more than I do Startpage.
This is awesome. Is there a DDG !bang for this? I would love to use it in place of !g for the few times I resort to !g.
I just checked and it doesn't look like it (if you want to search for DDG bangs here's the link, just scroll down a bit.). But you could always just add Leta as a search engine in your browser preferences and set a keystroke for it. For example, type L into the URL bar then space and it'll use Leta for your query. (Note, I use Firefox, not sure if it's the same with Chromium based browsers).
I submitted a request for !leta. If it gets rejected I'll try what you said. +1 for Firefox.
StartPage should be !sp.
I use Startpage and I get decent results. I never google anymore except maps. What is wrong with them?
Ah, sorry, I guess I implied there's something nefarious going on with Startpage. But there isn't as far as I can tell. I just trust Mullvad more based on their track record. If you're happy using Startpage keep using it.
Startpage having a good track record is one of the main reasons why I’m happy to use them. Nothing sketchy so far and decent results. I am also a Mullvad customer for the same reasons.
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Btw https://mwmbl.org/ is an interesting project, although not usable yet
Crawling is not really the elephant in the room, really. The issue is ranking and I don’t see how they plan to address that for having good quality
The vast majority of the quality comes from the result ranking (that is what people generally refer as indexes albeit indexes are slightly different conceptually). In practice there are two main indexes/ranking (a) Google (b) Bing. DDG, Ecosia, yahoo are, at best, tuning the ranking (not sure if they make things better or worse with that).
This is the reason if you want meaningfully better quality you need searXNG. Because combining results from multiple search engines you grt both main indexes.
There is a ranking/quality problem there as well because how do you join the results of multiple search engines? I think it simply uses a “voting” system where it bumps the results from most search engines. This also means that you want a “balanced” number of search engines based on Google and Bing otherwise you’ll get mainly Google or mainly bing results. Or you may just enable only Google and Bing, really 🤷♂️
If there will be new indexes (e.g. the new European one) you may want to enable them as well but this kind of problems take time to become competitive with giants like Google and Bing (albeit with enshittification this gap is being reduced)
Thank you for the explanation about rankings, and the SearXNG suggestion. I'm trying it now and it looks promising!
(Oh and of course if you don’t want to self host and you don’t want your queries to be proxies by random Joe with the public instances, go for the engine you want to “donate” your attention to. I would go for Ecosia just because they seem the most ethical of all, including DDG…. But your choice)
Startpage uses Google's results, similar to like DDG uses Bing's, I find to be splendid replacement for spying engine.