Honeypot thread - admins take note
this post was submitted on 21 Apr 2025
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I don't think hexbear in itself is that bad, i do think its a bad starting point for beginners though.
I just don't find hexbear as a whole to be that objectionable. They defederated from everyone for a while during their whole DNS debacle, and I missed them! It's a very active instance that posts a lot of news and memes.
And if we're basing this on which instances have more annoying users, well I have a lot more users from discuss.tchncs.de blocked than hexbear. Not to call them out either, but I think it's... intolerant to act like a whole instance is poison because their standards and rules allow for types of people I don't want to interact with. Obviously stuff like CSAM or Nazi shit is a red line, but if some users having objectionable politics is grounds for ostracizing an instance, how has lemmy.world survived this long?
Objectionable politics
"Anybody who's more moderate than a Marxist-Leninist is a liberal and deserves to be shot"
Hexbear is as bad as 4chan, but with tankies instead of alt-right, normalising radical political views
99% of online Tankies promote fascist positions, but pretend to be "left" so as to present as more palatable to left-leaning "normies" dissatisfied with the state of democracy.
It's random 🤷
I don't consider this acceptable simply because it happens randomly.
If you have enough energy to convince the devs; (they admin the lemmy.ml and lemmygrad). Than go ahead and try. https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site
From few interactions I had with them it's not worth it and it's better to make more useful features like better moderation than fight politics.
What would your solution be to this intolerable situation for you where leftists are allowed to.. checks notes ..randomly be visible on the internet?
Tankies aren't leftists. They're fascists in sheeps clothinf.
There is a difference between leftists and genocide white-washing, pro-authoritarianism tankies.
Til they're pro what's happening in Gaza.
Because Gaza is the only thing happening in the world right now!
It is currently most active and visible one.
Honestly crying about hexbear is more a problem than them
I don't follow, can you clarify please?
I mean that I feel more people complain about how bad hexbear is than I ever encounter. Either I’m in the wrong subs or they’re tamer than people believe.
You think it's a good thing that new people looking to join Lemmy are directed towards Hexbear (or Lemmygrad or even ML)?
Be honest.
(or Lemmygrad or even ML)
Have you considered reaching out to the lemmy developers to point out that it's unreasonable for them to display links to the first two lemmy instances ever, the two that they created and administrate themselves, on their lemmy-joining portal? I think they'd be pretty receptive to that. Those instances are not at all representative of what lemmy is intended to be, and I certainly didn't join lemmy to see the kind of content they peddle.
Let's be real here, the vast majority of people do not want to deal with pro-genocide, pro authoritarian tankies (e.g. would you want to deal with neo-nazis?) and teenage edgelords roleplaying as communists.
And that vast majority of people have for the most part chosen to continue using reddit rather than join a community where that is already the established norm and expect a change in ideology from the one that has been motivating its developers from day one.
No one using lemmy hated what lemmy is until a bunch of redditors flocked here. You're walking into forums built by communists used for years by communists to chat amongst each other and loudly complaining that these communists are allowed to stick around. There are a lot of other places on the internet that match your own ideology more closely, including reddit. Why stay here if you are that upset about the ideology this was and continues to be built on?
That's not how federation or open source works.
And the overwhelming majority of Lemmy's active users are not tankies and have no interest in tankie degeneracy.
I am not upset. I am just stating facts, tankies and leftists are not the same thing.
Federation and open source provide a significant reduction in the barrier to someone making their own instance or their own federated network, with whatever modifications they want to implement. That is definitely something you could take advantage of. Federation and open source are not really related to an existing culture in an already thriving social network still being present in some form after you joined.
If you want a forum where only tankies are allowed, then don't develop your solution on a federated protocol. It's as simple as that.
Tankie scum culture is largely not tolerated across Lemmy. No sane person wants to hear degenerate rambling about how Stalin was a good guy, denial of russian atrocities committed in Ukraine, denial of giant number of Ukrainians held horrible conditions in internment and praise for Putin (who is not even a communist).
Don't try to hide behind "existing culture" with your "discrimination against tankies" rehortic.
When you act like scum (some of the worst), be prepared to be called scum.
If you want a forum where only tankies are allowed, then don't develop your solution on a federated protocol.
I don't how you read that from what I wrote, I just think it's silly to complain that they are allowed here.
I joined lemmy five or six years ago because I really believe in federated networks. I've definitely learned a bit since then but I'm still not an expert on any of the politics. I can say with confidence though that the devs are well-meaning and their beliefs are sincere, so when you dismiss them as pro-genocide scum it gives me the impression that you've never engaged seriously with the ideas. And if you want to prioritze avoiding sincere proponents of those ideas, there are a lot of networks not maintained by advocates that will give you a much easier time. Staying on the one significant social network built out of those beliefs seems counterintuitive here.
I don’t how you read that from what I wrote, I just think it’s silly to complain that they are allowed here.
Would you say the same about neo-nazis? Let's a KKK instance on join-lemmy? You think that's fine?
so when you dismiss them as pro-genocide scum it gives me the impression that you’ve never engaged seriously with the ideas.
Don't play dumb. I've been on Lemmy long enough to know their position.
There were many examples, but aoe particularly stupid discussion was with a tankie trying to explain to me (a Ukrainian) that Ukrainian language in actually not prosecuted in the occupied territories. His reasoning was that in Chechnya locals can use Chechen in addition to russian.
Tankie scum wish harm to me, my family and fellow citizens (while not knowing Ukrainian or russians and never having lived here). Of course I am going to wish them a grizzly death.
Staying on the one significant social network built out of those beliefs seems counterintuitive here.
Tankies are minority. It's not counter intuitive to want a relatively small group of tankie degenerates to be isolated in federated forum system.
My man, that's exactly what a decentralized, federated network is (you should know this).
As supporter of genocide you should consider joining another network, as you are not welcome here!
Would you say the same about neo-nazis? Let’s a KKK instance on join-lemmy? You think that’s fine?
Three or four years ago wolfballs was a neo-nazi instance that was immediately delisted. But more to the point, if the developers were nazis then yes, I would think it's silly to continue to participate in the community while complaining about it and cursing their names rather than not using it. Even on a federated network, if it's developed by open nazis I would not have an expectation that we'll get rid of the nazi problem and I should keep contributing. Incidentally that's actually why I started ditching the corporate social networks I was on fifteen years ago in the first place.
Don’t play dumb. I’ve been on Lemmy long enough to know their position.
I had never even heard the term "tankie" before joining. The developers posted a lot in the community before it got overwhelmed by redditors a couple years ago. Somehow I missed all of their advocacy for genocide.
Somehow I missed all of their advocacy for genocide.
Masks off I see.
I am done here.
Why do you think they're pro genocide?
They support russian genocidal imperialism, deny genocidal actions of the CCP.
Come up with childish excuses such as "the CIA made this up [in references to atrocities]" or "the people of this country don't actually want to be free and the CIA organized a coup" and degenerate bullshit.
They are scum.
Curious as well
As another user stated it’s random.
As I said, be honest.
Okay bud, I’ve given two answers. Byeee