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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ain't that true. As a car mechanic(in asia), i used to not think about it for a long time, but lately the cost of owning a car seems to bug me to no end. Often in busy day, someone will come in with a breakdown which might take a few hours to do because of the workload, and the reply i get from them is "can you do mine first? I'm in a hurry and i need the car, without it i can't get anywhere". Or someone came in with a badly maintained car, where they have to delay a lot of simple but crucial repair because they're short on money. Or ignore an oil leak while topping up oil constantly because they have no time to get it fixed, which sometimes cost even more in total.

I just paid nearly 1/4 of my monthly salary to fix my 20 years old car, and that's only for the part. Can't get a used car because i need the cash, can't get a new car because i don't wanna have more mortgage. It's crippling if you're poor. It's simply bullshit when people use the poor to justify car-centric development.

[–] SqueakySpider@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel you on the high cost of repairs costing a large portion of monthly income - I was quoted $500-700 for a (difficult model) spark plug replacement and plan to just DIY, even if it's frustrating and hard.

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[–] glowie@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How does a theoretical case of not having insurance companies make a car non-driveable?

[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is illegal to drive without auto insurance. Technically you could do it anyway but a single accident could cost you $70,000 or $80,000 easily. Most reasonable people don't want that kind of risk.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 6 points 1 day ago

Try adding a zero or two to that estimate. If you end up killing people without insurance your life's over, with insurance if you weren't in the wrong you're mostly fine.

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Because auto-insurance is a requirement in some country.

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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How do I get to and then around Michigan’s Upper Peninsula? I don’t want to go be in cities like at all? What’s the plan for that?

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Isn't anyone else disturbed by the concept of independence being a problem for this person?

I'd like more public transportation in America, but I'm not really interested in anything else they have to say.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

No, because your premise is incorrect. This person is completely in support of the concept of independence, but simply rejects the notion that car-dependency provides it. Real independence is achieved by removing the dependency on cars.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Owning or renting a home has the same requirements of dependency on multiple companies. Sure, in a city or large town or even some.small towns we could live without cars if we built the infrastructure.

But there will always be rural areas where cars make sense. Insurance would be a lot cheaper without all the city folk driving...

[–] Little_mouse@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In Japan they have rail lines that seamlessly integrate with the metro system of large cities.

And even if cars for rural users is necessary, their driving experience will be much smoother if all the other people have good access to transit.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Japan is an extremely small and dense country with actually very little rural areas, so I'm not sure if that really answers the other person's questions.

The main island has a land area of about the 13th largest state, Utah. But Utah has about 35 people/sq mile, compared to Japan with almost 1200 people/sq mile.

America is really rural and rural areas are really far apart from each other. Growing up my nearest neighbor was about a 10 min drive down the road. And I wasn't even that rural, I went to a normal school with a normal school bus.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Owning or renting a home has the same requirements of dependency on multiple companies

Are you suggesting people go without homes? And that's analogous to going without a car?

Maybe you're really radical and want free public housing like people want free public transit, but that's far outside the overton window.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I am saying home ownership, the freedom that goes along with it, and the need to rely on multiple companies is the same and both have a different context in rural areas. So does renting and most other things in life.

Plus relying on public transportation means trading companies for government, which in theory should be better but then again government decisions tend to be strongly influenced by those companies which is how we ended up in the car centric urban hellhole that we are in now.

The comic comes across as dismissive of a ton of nuance that apply to large areas of the US to make a point that applies to urban areas.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

In rural areas everyone uses either bikes or railways.

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[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (8 children)

With a car, you can fix it yourself if you are determined enough. However, if you're using public transport, the same arguments apply + now things are enirely out of your control. There's no way in hell the public transport company will let you tinker with their broken stuff. The insurance company can pull out of them at any time for any reason. The company can go bankrupt, etc.

i feel like independance and not having to rely on someone would work better as an argument for the car.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Consider a bicycle. Very low maintenance, simple to fix, no need for fuel, unlimited range. Complete independence, with the sole exception of winter maintenance of paths, but that's also a problem for cars and public transport.

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

bikes absolutely do not have unlimited range, at some point the human will die of exhaustion or starvation without food or dehydration without water. cars needs far less winter path clearing than all but the best fat tire bikes. cars suck in cities the majority of the earth is not a city.

[–] the_strange@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

cars needs far less winter path clearing than all but the best fat tire bikes

I drive a regular city bike, nothing fancy, just studded tires. I'm talking about Norway here, so studded tires are the norm in winter for almost any vehicle. I prefer biking especially in winter because of the amount of cars stuck on the roads. With the bike I'm flexible, I can drive around obstacles or impasses, worst case lift it over a ditch to make my way somewhere else. On an average day I'm at least twice as fast biking than I would be driving.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You live in an urban area right? If you're in the North of Norway and you still think like this you must be superhuman (I've only visited the North of Sweden once in February and I wouldn't want to cycle anywhere further than 5-10 km in those conditions).

[–] the_strange@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

You live in an urban area right?

Yes, like about 80-85% of Norwegians inhabitants do. https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/folketall/statistikk/tettsteders-befolkning-og-areal.

Of course, if you live in the woods in the middle of nowhere a bike won't get you far in winter, but neither gets you a car until the snowplow has come through and dug you out. Skis are much more useful in these conditions.

I've lived in the North and commuted by bike except for days with extreme weather conditions. And again, you shouldn't be driving then either. Now that I'm a bit older I'd go for an electric bike though, I think.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The range of the bicycle is constrained only by the rider. Assuming that the rider eats, drinks and sleeps (as most of us tend to do anyways for the sake of staying alive), the range is unlimited. You can't drive a car either if you starve to death.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the rest, I was just talking about dependencies, which the bicycle has the least (apart from walking or skiing for example).

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 3 points 1 day ago

You need less energy per km to cycle at a relaxed pace compared to walking.

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago

In the past 25 years I've used public transport, I think the bus broke down once while I was aboard, and I think it ended up in the newspaper. I think it's a good thing public transport folks spend a lot of time maintaining the vehicles and especially on regular preventive maintenance.

I can barely fix my bicycle, so I don't want to tinker with the bus company's broken stuff. I trust that stuff to the certified mechanics they employ. Doubly so for trains, that's for some serious mechanics only.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most public transit in Europe is government backed, they're not just going bankrupt or lose their insurence, and I don't know why I'd tinker with a broken bus, the company has people for that.

[–] wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. Also, public transport is a system. Even if the vehicle you are currently traveling in breaks down, there's usually replacements and alternatives to get to the same destination.

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[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No matter how determined I was to work on my car, it didn't matter. That shit sucks, is hard to do, especially if you don't have previous experience.

Also, cars today aren't roomy 1990's (or before) engines. They pack it so tight in there, with the need to specialized tools and knowledge.

Cars have become increasingly hard to work on oneself. Especially as computers and mechanical engines have been fused together.

I'd rather have my bike with a lane, or a sidewalk, lined with trees, than have stroads with rubber dust, smog, and noise, uninhabitable to pedestrians.

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