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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 28 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe the cops should be a little more careful who they decide to murder.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

The kid stole a car, and then was running away and pointing his loaded gun at the police when they shot him.

Allegedly. I don't know that it won't turn out, in the end, that it was actually his car, and it was a sandwich, and the officer involved had been fired from 3 departments and the cops lied about everything, and so on. But usually making sense of the world by just picking in advance who are the good guys and bad guys, and applying that to every single situation regardless of who's involved or what the details are, is a bad way to go.

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There's a video out there of the shooting. The cops arrive at the scene near an allegedly stolen car, four black teens run in different directions away. Within six seconds of arriving on scene, the cop shoots and kills the kid that's in front of him. He was holding a bag, and was absolutely running away.

The cops say he had a gun after the fact, and I think the video shows a gun on the ground in the parking lot, away from where people were running. The two other teens were charged with whatever they call car theft there, one is still at large, and of course the last one was killed by police.

https://youtu.be/UuC-vHD4-7g

I thought I found a non-edited version of the video last night, but I can't find it again this morning. Yet.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that would change things a lot. If the kid was unarmed, and the cop shot him in the back and then said he'd been holding a gun and pointed it at the cop...

If you do find the unedited version of it please post, I would like to see.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 46 minutes ago

If the video with kid pointing a gun existed, it would already be out by now.

So either they don't the video or the video is no good...

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 8 points 6 hours ago

The police, as an institution, have entirely lost the benefit of the doubt.

And the policy of "shot first" is not one I want to see in my civilian protection agency.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The whole point of what the father did was because all this "fear for my life" and 'allegedly' doesn't matter. You kill a family member, they kill a family member right back. That's it. That is the logic and frankly I understand it.

This is about the consequences of not having a functioning justice system particularily with regards to the enforcers. Instead of simply not chasing a kid clearly fleeing they chose to end his life. Maybe next time they won't.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

You kill a family member, they kill a family member right back. That’s it. That is the logic and frankly I understand it.

Well I don't see any way that can possibly go wrong in the long run.

This is about the consequences of not having a functioning justice system particularily with regards to the enforcers. Instead of simply not chasing a kid clearly fleeing they chose to end his life. Maybe next time they won’t.

I actually kind of agree with this. When the systems of justice break down, people are going to start taking stuff into their own hands. And who could blame them? My point is that that makes falsely claiming that the systems of justice have broken down and every time the cops shoot someone, it's an atrocity and they do it all the time without consequences a pretty fucking bad thing to do. That's why I tend to argue about this on Lemmy.

Like I say, for all I know it happened the way you said. Also, for all you know, it happened just the way the cops said. You have no idea, and you're still very certain of the answer. Specifically because of the consequences in the world when people start running off with their favorite narrative even though they have no idea, that's a bad bad thing.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's why I tend to argue about this on Lemmy.

Thank you for doing this! I saw this same story elsewhere and a lot of similar ACAB/good for the father comments elsewhere even though the article seems to hint the deputy killed was not involved in the shooting.

My first thought was the father was out driving, saw the deputy and was so overcome that he targeted the deputy in the spur of the moment, not that this was some planned retribution thing.

Just know I appreciate you.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah. The Lemmy hivemind is a hell of a drug.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The funny thing about being a conscious entity with the capacity to remember things is that, in order to survive and navigate the world, one tends to notice patterns in the world at large. One then uses these past patterns to predict future events. This cuts down significantly on the processing required to survive and navigate the world, which is evolutionarily advantageous because energy is at a premium.

We know this is effective because we are here and that trait has persisted in our species. It is part of the human condition.

So, you should not be surprised when we all notice this pattern of cops doing violent crime with no punishment, for decades, and we then do a human consciousness about it by assuming - with solid factual basis - that the cop is the aggressor in every situation. It is not our fault, it is theirs - the police, as an institution, lost our collective trust because of their collective official actions. Are there some good cops who do their best to serve their community, and care deeply? Yes. It's that the official stance of every police force in America? Of course not. Stop blaming us for this pervasive attitude; we are taking the logical stance in the face of what we have observed.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The funny thing about being a conscious entity with the capacity to remember things is that, in order to survive and navigate the world, one tends to notice patterns in the world at large. One then uses these past patterns to predict future events. This cuts down significantly on the processing required to survive and navigate the world, which is evolutionarily advantageous because energy is at a premium.

Yeah, which is why when the cops spend all their time every day just chasing around violent assholes who stole somebody's car, beat their spouse, stole some cigarettes, drove drunk, or whatever, it starts to become totally justified to

Wait what were we talking about again?

The facts of the individual matter. Beyond that, I don't even agree with you that the cops do violent crime with no punishment that is objectively false. It used to be true. Back in the 80s and 90s it was godawful, up until 2020 it was still pretty bad, after 2020 it's changed. In my opinion. Like I said elsewhere, probably a fair way to do it is to list out a handful of high-profile cases from the last few years where the cops did something fucked up, and then ask what percentage of the time they got charges for it.

Lemmy likes to take this simple confident narrative that the answer is more or less 0%. That is clearly and objectively wrong. And then, they expand it out into this whole table-pounding-on narrative why it's perfectly okay to slam into some person who's just out doing their job with your car if you're upset because your son stole a car and ran around with a gun and some shit happened (again -- assuming that the cops are telling the truth more or less about how it happened). I get why a father would react that way. It's a pretty human reaction, any father would at least want to. I don't get why people on Lemmy are defending it.

You can't be both perfectly comfortable lumping every single individual into a class of people and then killing any of them you feel like if you get upset about something that happened, and also get upset when the police do the exact same thing (which, again, they aboslutely should not do) with the class of people who are "suspects." It is 100% exactly the same evolutionary pattern recognition you are defending here.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I point out that "the way it used to be" trained the public to see the police this way, and your response is "But it's not that way anymore". Do you understand how training works?

If you want this perception to change, it's going to take at least as many decades of the police being exactly what they should have been this whole time. That's the fact. The public perception makes sense, whether you want to admit it or not; arguing against decades of practical training is a losing proposition.

I'm not interested in your justifications, because that's not what I'm doing here, so I'm going to block you now. Do think about this further, I believe you'll be able to understand what I'm saying eventually.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 4 hours ago

There's actually a friend-of-a-friend of mine who is a LEO, and he explicitly told my friend that he racially profiles, for exactly this reason. Everything you were saying was his justification.

Have a good day, I hope your blocking goes well.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Perhaps if police would more often be held accountable in a fair justice system, people wouldnt be so easily swayed to say they 'had it coming'.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

In police body-camera footage obtained by NBC News, an officer is seen exiting his vehicle and aiming a firearm at the teenager as he runs away. The officer fired at least four shots, the police chief said, and Hinton fell to the ground. 
The footage does not clearly show whether the 18-year-old brandished his gun toward police.

they executed that kid and then planted a gun on his corpse… is this your first time?

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago

you put “allegedly” in the next paragraph… odd choice, boot licker.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 5 points 14 hours ago

Did the deputy have anything to do with the shooting?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago