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[–] nsrxn@scribe.disroot.org 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

nobody is going to want to create new content when they get paid nothing or almost nothing for doing so.

that's a lie

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

People create content knowing others are going to get filthy rich off it and they'll get nothing in return. Except total loss of privacy.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

so basically back to internet 1.0, sounds good actually.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Old youtube was a pretty cool place and nobody got paid

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[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Letting Google break the law for years with illegal anti-competitive practices is now hurting everyone else's ability to earn money.

I wonder if we have the combined will to do anything about it, or if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it....

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it....

Have we lost faith in our handsome businessman? /s

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 69 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Don't take this the wrong way, but fuck your business model. The internet was supposed to be open and be ours, and you stole it for profit.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be honest: you can still make your own website, and in many ways big companies are actually making it easier through open-source projects and stuff like Let's Encrypt. The web industry is remarkably open compared to what big companies do in other industries. A lot of the standards meetings and stuff you can just go to and give your opinion. Or ignore the standards and fork it yourself. This alarmism I fear will make people not take the actually alarming things like encryption bans or ID requirements seriously.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only for some things, though. If you host your own e-mail these days, chances are, you're going to have a very difficult time sending them anywhere without risking them being deleted, or automatically thrown into spam folders.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True, but sadly that's because of what became a genuine user safety concern

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 19 hours ago

Because, as user sfled pointed out...

The first spam email was sent in 1978

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

also independent of that, fuck cloudflare

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[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe their business model. trust me. they'll find a way to monetize the zero click internet too. then it's back to square one

[–] e461h@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe this is why tech execs and investors are so hot on pushing AI into everything. They’ll control everyone’s digital experience and you can 100% count on being force fed ads and paid propaganda. Embrace, extend, extinguish

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep. They have direct control over the flow of information.

Honestly, Metal Gear Solid 2 was on fucking point.

And so was 4.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I tried playing 2 again recently because I had the same thought, and I had to stop because my wife would not stop laughing at Rose's dialogue. God, I wish Kojima had ever met a woman.

[–] okmko@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

And she's 100% justified. The older you get the more appearant it becomes that he's bad at writing dialogue and story. He's a tendency of using controvencies to create drama and it often falls flat, if not into eye-roll territory.

I could not stop cringing during Death Stranding. I had to fast forward the ending. I imagine Margaret Qualley being completely bewildered when they were capturing her character's twin soul melding scene.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't necessarily think he's bad at writing dialogue and story, I think he's mostly just bad at writing women. As I've gotten older, I went from taking Metal Gear Solid super seriously to treating it like nuclear/techno Evil Dead

[–] okmko@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yeah, we're just less experienced and have fewer expectations when we're young. We were much more impressionable then.

Guys in general are bad at portraying women, as I understand. That's on top of being bad in general for Kojima, I think. There's a funny interview with the MGS2 English translator Agness Kaku where she comments that the writing at times is high school fanfic level.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 1 points 18 hours ago

What parts of Rose's dialogue made her laugh so much?

I could tell that it was commentary on the lonely and reserved lives that was stereotypical of gamers in the early to mid 2000s. So much of that game was meant to be directed towards the player, I wonder if it fell on deaf ears for her because she's not really the target audience.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 109 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah well maybe the web shouldn't be a business

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 37 points 2 days ago

America: "No money = no purpose"

the o'l capitalist shalamalama ding-dong...

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (20 children)

god what I wouldnt give to go back to the days of the mid 90s, when the internet was nothing more than a collection of tech weirdos, with websites being nothing more than passion projects with no advertising, no SEO, no search engines, etc etc.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is all extrapolated from google's self published survey of how their users interact with their search results. Approximately 60% of users don't click anything after a search. Personally I think that is because users have found their results to be seo garbage and not worth clicking on... but that's just my opinion.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course they don't click anything. Google search has just become a front-end for Gemini, the answer is "served" up right at the top and most people will just take that for Gospel.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Even without Gemini, many of my searches are covered by the few word snippets from the top few results. Most of my searches are quick queries with quick answers, usually not me embarking on some huge research effort.

[–] CubeOfCheese@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've watched a lot of students do a search after I tell them to research something, look through a few of the summaries, then look at me in defeat. I have to tell them to actually click some links to try and find an answer

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I went to college for networking but the most productive class I've ever had where I learned the most about the internet was instead back in high school. This teacher would make 20 page packets with the most obscure questions like what's the weight of model number 62xRG4 (some obscure car part or something) and he told us to google it. We would spend entire classes just searching for information we would never use, but it drilled into me how to go about finding the information I need. It's been utterly invaluable. Thank you Mr Ward.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 224 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Web was much better and more useful back before it had a business model. Good riddance.

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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 41 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Good. Maybe we can go back to paying for our services instead of getting tracked everywhere we go.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 52 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That’s not what will happen. We will have to pay AND be tracked. They are not going to give anything up.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When Orwell predicted universal surveillance he never anticipated that the people themselves would install the cameras, let alone pay a subscription.

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can someone check in with the inventor of the web and ask him what the web's business model is?

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 129 points 2 days ago (3 children)

For a glorious second, the entire world was able to communicate as one.

Then we catalogued every accessible reservoir of culture and knowledge, mined them bare, and refilled them with slop.

A global collective consciousness, hollowed out, replaced with static. No signal. Only noise.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I really non ironically miss the friction of the old internet.

I prefer how it took time to find some bare HTML university website, slowly browse through an index as if it was a book, and then find one non-SEO optimized page with all the information you needed on a topic for your research.

The time to browse, being exposed to other terms, having to select the pages yourself, being skeptical by nature, and then having to copy it by hand... This is a much more positive scenario than having a gigantic company learn everything about you and everybody else and then make these decisions for you, using some hidden algorithm, and with the ultimate goal of pushing their newest process. And of course, the content has been rendered virtually useless to appeal to that algorithm.

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[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Everyone is too busy doomscrolling TikTok to notice.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Are they still defending the fact they host Stormfront?

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 160 points 2 days ago (28 children)

So you’re saying the ad driven internet will die? And we will be left with what? Wikipedia and Lemmy? I for one welcome our AI overlords!

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I didn’t come here for heartwarming stories; yet here I am.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i like to publish content so that bots can scrape it and serve it to people without attribution i think it's good i think ill publish some more interesting stuff right away

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