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[–] who@feddit.org 223 points 2 months ago (4 children)

In order to retain our rights to private communications, we have to win every time.

In order to take them away, they only have to win once.

They will keep trying.

Stay vigilant.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This type of democracy is awful sometimes.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

There are certain kinds of rules and discoveries that society can make that they must defend by making rules that eliminate anyone that dares bring the adverse ruling up again. You want slavery and propose it back into law? Society kills you for that.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago

If we kill them it helps.

[–] Entertain529@lemmy.ml 65 points 2 months ago

The real challenge is getting loved ones to care enough to use a FREE encrypted communication app.

Its like they see privacy as an anti-feature and would rather leave the door wide open for anyone to come rummage through their messages.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We are supposed to trust our governments however it is pretty obvious that a Trump could come along and seriously misuse the backdoors that were said to be necessary to protect us. It doesn’t matter if you trust the current mob, it’s a rogue future mob we have to guard against.

[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Border guards searching phones and making arrests after finding anything critical of Trump, on the grounds of "extremism" is a pretty big indicator.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Well, the future has arrived in the US but not everywhere else 😬

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 months ago

They only need to succeed once. Just keeeeep trying and trying and trying, keep renaming the same turd to some new shiny acronym, and keep trying until you statistically have to succeed

[–] SW42@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From a cybersecurity perspective, it is nearly impossible to create a backdoor to a communications product that is only accessible for certain purposes or under certain conditions.

Oh? It is possible? Pray tell, how?

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Screen recording or snapshots like Windows Recall. Or keyboard telemitry.

But that's it I think.

[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's well known that iphone, google samsung and microsoft android keyboards are the most used keyloggers in the world.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know that. Who do they send these logs to?

[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

The NSA and advertisers. It was confirmed the MS Android keyboards were keyloggers after microsoft suffered a data breach revealing millions of typing records, so it's not far fetched to assume windows does the same, especially after you see the sheer amount of data being sent straight to microsoft servers when analysing traffic.

[–] atlien51@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Nah apple wouldn’t do that :)

[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I at least have a core group of friends that use Signal and I keep Element installed on my phone and computers hoping someday more people move to that over the next decade

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Signal ? Why not session ?

[–] ely@mastodon.green 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@MITM0
While there: add #briar to enjoy the powergrid failures @briar
@network_switch

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't make sense of this comment. What are you saying happened here? (I clicked the links and whatnot.)

Is Session not a good app?

[–] ely@mastodon.green 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@victorz
Sorry didn't say that, just that I suggested you could consider having a look at briar, since it supports mesh networking over WiFi/bluetooth when cellular fails, which may be a plus to account for emergency situations.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Ah, that's an interesting feature. Cool. Thanks for explaining!

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why Session over Signal? 🙂

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Alright, that's good. Let's do Session vs SimpleX!

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

While we are at it let's add Cwtch as well

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Ah yeah, that doesn't look like my cup of tea.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)

If the law ever says that we are not allowed to have encryption, I am absolutely going to be one of the first ones going to jail because I'm not going to put up with that.

The way I see it is you can throw me in jail where you then have to feed me, give me proper climate control, give me a place to sleep, etc. all on your dime.

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

throw me in jail where you then have to feed me, give me proper climate control, give me a place to sleep

Hope you don't live in the United States. You might end up in a Salvadoran prison. Or, almost as bad, an American one.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago

Lol, fair point. I suspect though that so many people would just ignore that as unlawful that they would have no way of possibly enforcing it.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not with for profit prisons buddy!

[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a huge part of how the system's rigged against you, it gives incentive for the most braindead laws, which don't benefit society in any way and make up for police incompetence, designed to imprison as many (poor) people as possible such as the conjoined enterprise laws in the UK, and is also a huge reason cannabis is criminalised in so many places.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How long do you think your rights in prison are going to last once they've eliminated your most basic rights outside of prison?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I mean men are already getting raped in prisons, it's only a matter of time that they introduce electric-chair torture

[–] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I get it, it's internet hyperbole. But dude, if that happens please fight back. Protests, voting, or god forbid gunfire if need be. But don't just give up and die, that's what they want.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the entire time I have lived on this planet, I've been pretty confident that my daily activities would generally be considered legal, and that the Federal Government had literally zero reason to be interested in me or anything I did.

Now, though, I am aware that the government can disappear me and rendition me to a death camp, without trial and even without habeas corpus.

As far as I can tell, if I'm being arrested I no longer have anything to lose. I am aware of that, and should it come to that, I understand why people are saying to act accordingly.

That is as far as I am going to say in this conversation.

[–] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

No you won't. You have no idea how utterly inhumane US prisons are.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The real challenge is to get government to quit using communication devices with backdoor access

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

No. Everything is still closed and not interoperable.

I've just read about Google Wave.

I think we need a global low-latency (no waiting an hour for a message to propagate) alternative to Usenet. And there should be two separate layers - unique article (or message) identifiers and the transport (be it lots of news servers exchanging articles as the main layer, or as an auxiliary level users exchanging them p2p with some way to verify an identifier and the fact that it was posted in some specific group by some specific person at some specific time). And cryptographic identities. And cryptographic alternative to DNS inside that - with name-to-identifier records signed and verifiable via a chain to some known name authority, not querying a service.

An article can contain many things, it can be a hypertext page. It can, maybe, contain some header allowing to build articles into hierarchies with such a naming service providing paths. And navigate those with a browser. So you'd have a system friendly to mobile devices, to privacy, to economy of resources, to preserving information, to indexing and scraping.

But I think I've missed something technical preventing this from being created in my thoughts.