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Just to be clear, I do think the obvious solution to terrible things like this is vastly expanded public transit so that people don't have to rely on cars to get everywhere, not overhyped technology and driving aids that are still only marginally better than a human driver. I just thought the article was interesting.

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[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

What technology?

Safety features like lane-keep assist, automatic emergency braking (AEB), and blind-spot detection...

... AI-powered traffic systems that predict and prevent accidents....

Impaired driving is also solvable. On-demand breathalyzers, smartphone saliva tests, and eye-tracking sensors... Uber is already testing real-time driver sobriety verification...

Why aren't we using it?

The article doesn't have an answer.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (8 children)

A Tesla in FSD randomly just veered off the road into a tree. There is video. It makes no sense, very difficult to work out why the AI thought that looked like a good move.

These tools this author is saying we have do not work how people claim they do.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tesla gets telemetry that should show exactly what happened. We need to require that to be collected with each accident so someone can look for patterns and improvements.

But I’ll agree with the other guy that’s it’s still quite possible this is safer than human drivers already. It makes news because it seems like a ridiculous failure. But what happens when you compare it to the number of accidents caused by people falling asleep or getting distracted, or letting their rage out?

The critical data is the cost in human lives, and it’s quite possible for technology to fail spectacularly while saving lives overall

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Tesla self-driving failures are in a class of their own because the asshat in charge didn't want to outfit the cars with the needed sensors to provide reasonable self-driving capabilities.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

Get the data. Get it without putting me and my family at risk.

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I have driven a car with a form of lane assist, it works fine when the lanes are easily seen and the weather is fine. The only way as system like that should be allowed to exist without a disable button is with extremely precise GPS maps because everything else seems to fail.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

Lane.assist.. fine.
Autobreak? Fuck no.
AI?! ffs

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The technologies to end a lot of problems exist. We aren't using them because the oligarchs think it's better this way.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is definitely a great example of individuals being obstinate and entitled. Just mention you support speed cameras on all roads and find out how many of your friends think speeding is a good given human rights.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's my understanding that speed cameras don't actually make roads safer, they just generate revenue for the city.

[–] Bridger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

In my city a program of speed cameras was instituted about a decade ago. A private speed camera corporation lobbied the city to install, maintain and administer the system. Whoever it was that they bribed to approve it did so and the system was installed. For the first year it brought in a bunch of money extorted from the citizens. Then the revenue dropped below the minimum amount that the corporation wrote into the contract as their cut (people figured out where all of the cameras were). At that point the system was costing the city money rather than generating revenue as the corporation had promised. So they started using mobile cameras. This worked for a short time but the blowback was sharp. In the end the system was scrapped.

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[–] andybytes@programming.dev -5 points 1 day ago

Mountains of shame looking for someone to blame, yet taking away our autonomy is the game.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My cars are old and don’t have any of this, and my one experience in a rental car with lane keeping assist was that it pushed me towards a highway barrier in construction where the original lane lines weren’t in use. Terrifying.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I quickly disabled my van's lane assist feature, having something else giggle the wheel while I'm driving is unnerving.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

giggle the wheel

Hehehehe

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 7 points 3 days ago

More sensors in the car might help a bit, but the real problem in US is its car dependent infrastructure. If the only way home after a night in the pub is by car, then you’re going to get a lot of drunk drivers. Add to this that bikes have to share road with cars, then it’s a death sentence to ride bike by night.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago

No. It doesn't.

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Because people want to drive theur cars instead if let a system handle everything perfectly. Theres no way to have safe driving with people behind the wheel.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The solution is to raise better humans who make better choices, not to try to use technology to prevent our bad choices from being worse.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 3 days ago

What about a Common Sense brain chip?

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Agree also a good catalyst to help solve almost all of our problems is having Revolt, & Matrix community servers setup where people can join based on their State, & also other community servers for their Country too.

With the goal of having a single spot where people get together online to get things done collectively, inform each other about all kinds of good and bad things, discuss topics, make stuff happen for better, collaborate on projects, have fun together, educate each other, & much more

I'm one of a couple hundred people working on it but need more people on board to do it.

We The People means Unity in every sense of the word in person and online to get things done together by doing. Being focused, & locked in instead of all of us doing things by ourselves

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