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  • Following backlash to statements that Duolingo will be AI-first, threatening jobs in the process, CEO Luis von Ahn has tried to walk back his statement.
  • Unfortunately, the CEO doesn’t walk back any of the key points he originally outlined, choosing instead to try, and fail to placate the maddening crowd.
  • Unfortunately the PR team may soon be replaced by AI as this latest statement has done anything but instil confidence in the firm’s users.
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[–] Child_of_the_bukkake@lemmy.cafe 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There should be a federated system for blocking IP ranges that other server operators within a chain of trust have already identified as belonging to crawlers. A bit like fediseer.com, but possibly more decentralized.

(Here’s another advantage of Markov chain maze generators like Nepenthes: Even when crawlers recognize that they have been served garbage and they delete it, one still has obtained highly reliable evidence that the requesting IPs are crawlers.)

Also, whenever one is only partially confident in a classification of an IP range as a crawler, instead of blocking it outright one can serve proof-of-works tasks (à la Anubis) with a complexity proportional to that confidence. This could also be useful in order to keep crawlers somewhat in the dark about whether they’ve been put on a blacklist.

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Duolingo is one of those fad apps that are overrated but are exquisitely trash once you force yourself to use them just to say "Hey, I have learned a language!". Honestly, it was pretty funny seeing Duolingo comment on videos on all that despite it feeling forced, replacing it with AI just signifies Duolingo's slow and painful demise

[–] jhonmu648@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 6 days ago

Just say AI bad use is cancer for human kind. Good use can help humans to do their task with less effort. So its all depend on usage.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 174 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, it is too late. Canceled my sub, won't be coming back.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 105 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Same. Deleted the app this weekend and let my 918 day streak evaporate.

I’m actually kind of surprised at how little it affected me, to be honest. I had a little bit pre-regret about losing the streak before deleting the app, but now a couple days later that feeling certainly doesn’t exist. AND there’s that benefit of no stupid owl guilt tripping you every day.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 38 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Check out "Language Drops" and "Rosetta Stone" if you're looking for replacements. They both have very different approaches to language learning (both from each other and from Duolingo), but their content is at the very least much better curated than Duolingo's.

I haven't gone out of my way to check but AFAIK neither of them is jumping on the AI-before-anything-else train.

[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Any recommendations for japanese?

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 6 days ago

I think both of them have Japanese (I remember seeing Rosetta Stone being praised for its Japanese content 20 years ago and I hope it would only have improved since), but I haven't gone very far in the language in either app.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My recommendation is Language Transfer, a freely-available system for multiple languages that, in my opinion, helps you to think in another language better than any other system I have tried.

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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 121 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where is the discussion for replacing CEOs with AI? Seems like predicting market trends based off of historical data and managing corporate resources would be just the sort of thing that AI would be good at. Plus it would cost way less and not require massive bonuses nor ownership of the company.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, the crux of the problem is that AI is trying to approximate intelligence. That's not useful for a CEO.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 87 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

“AI is creating uncertainty for all of us, and we can respond to this with fear or curiosity. I’ve always encouraged our team to embrace new technology (that’s why we originally built for mobile instead of desktop), and we are taking that same approach with AI. By understanding the capabilities and limitations of AI now, we can stay ahead of it and remain in control of our own product and our mission,” writes von Ahn.

Now please explain in more detail how this advice should be followed, practically, by someone you just fired because AI was cheaper. Give examples of how they can "stay ahead of it" so as to "remain in control of the product and mission" they are no longer employed to work on. How should they "embrace" this transition and "respond with curiosity" to no being newly unable to afford food or rent? "Uncertainty for all of us" my ass.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 week ago (12 children)

In another thread someone told me you can buy gems or something to keep your streak going.

That would've made me uninstall long before his comments.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm a long time user of Duolingo and you earn plenty to give yourself the occasional streak freeze if you can't go two days without doing a lesson. It's not really as predatory as it sounds. It's nothing like pay to win type games.

Fuck Duolingo for the AI shit though, don't mistake me for a Duolingo simp thinking their blameless. It's just that the monetization is not as predatory as it sounds.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Ah, okay, thanks for the info! I've never used Duolingo so I genuinely don't know.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Freezing" your streak is just silly, even if they offer it for free. Is this just for online clout, so you can brag (falsely) to others how long you haven't broken a streak?

If an alcoholic goes 10 years without drinking, then has a beer, the streak is broken. Doesn't mean you can't recover and improve, but it is what it is. It's dishonest to pretend it didn't happen, especially if you're comparing yourself to others...

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Really comparing missing a day of a language learning app to alcoholism recovery?

Your streak doesn't go up on days you use a freeze.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No? It was a comparison of the streak, not the subject of the streak. That was just an example. My point remains. Unless you can literally stop time, the streak died. It's okay that it did, but why pretend it didn't?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev -1 points 6 days ago

If you can't see why someone might have a different criteria for a streak in days without alcohol as a recovering addict and days in usage of a learning application I can't help you.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I think it should be added that people who pay premium get infinite lives, everyone else gets 1 life every 6-ish hours with a maximum of 5, meaning they can answer wrong at most 5 times and fail a lesson, forcing them to do a recap practice lesson to earn a heart and then retry the lesson with only 1 heart or they're just done for the day.

It's kind of pay to win.

[–] J52@lemmy.nz 4 points 6 days ago

I have so many bonus points, I just get 5 new hearts. I find the lack of grammer in the free version holding me back (possibly by design, so I'll finally pay for something). I think it's time to leave for me too (I didn't enjoy the gaming side and won't tolerate AI integration, even if it's free).

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To win what? The lessons are not competitive.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
  1. There actually is a weekly leaderboard bracket where you compete with about 30 to 50 other people.

  2. Completing a lesson is winning, losing all your lives is losing.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A completely optional, side objective that has no bearing on anything else? You can completely ignore the leader board and still progress. It's not competitive.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

You can set your profile to private to completely disable the leaderboard stuff.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah of course, winning or losing a game has no bearing on anything. It's still winning or losing.

The main objective is to complete lessons. You have to pay to do that or wait for energy to replenish.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The main objective is not to complete lessons, but to learn. If you use up all your hearts because you make too many mistakes you're obviously not learning. At that point Duolingo completely fails though, instead of telling you to go back and practice, it asks if you want to buy hearts with in-game currency or switch to the paid super max hyper ultra AI whatever it's now called for unlimited hearts. Unlimited hearts doesn't give you shit though, it allows you to bruteforce your way through the lessons to get XP to rank up in the completely optional leaderboards, it doesn't help you learn. It's only pay to win if you see it as a game and not as a language learning app.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 6 days ago

No, you don't. It's only when you lose hearts. You get to make 5 mistakes. You can use gems to replenish them or they replenish over time. After playing for a while you earn plenty of gems to restore your hearts mid lesson every now and then. You can watch an ad to replenish your hearts between lessons, but not during. If you're not making mistakes then you can keep going. It's not that difficult to not make mistakes either, a lot of times they flat out give you the answer by tapping on words.

There are plenty of things to shit on Duolingo as a company. Calling the app pay to win really isn't one.

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[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Classic "I've made a HUGE mistake" moment from yet another "thought leader" suffering from AI/layoff FOMO. 🙄

[–] kubica@fedia.io 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is the point of this news that talk about a walk back that is doing nothing to walk back?

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In 2025 everything is just a messaging problem to these goons.

[–] Daedskin@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Last year in February I uninstalled the app on a perfect, 2000-day streak when I got the first whiff of AI; I'm probably never going back

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Reminds of Proto CEOs faux pas

Good to see the normie finally turning on these cult of personality clowns imitating Steve apple..

I can't be believe we had to suffer 15 years of it.

These parasites been getting high on their own farts for too long while normie LARPed everything they said.

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