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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago (6 children)

What the flying fuck is wrong with Latinos?

When I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s, Latinos almost almost always voted democrat. What changed? How did they end up voting for the party that hates them the most?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because the democrats made the mind-numbingly stupid decision to pivot right like they always do, this time on immigration. No more, "Building the wall is racist," no more, "No one is illegal," instead it was, "We're the ones who are actually going to build the wall, Trump's all talk." To this end, they attempted to pass a bill that would have greatly expanded the president's ability to crack down on immigrants.

They figured, as they always do, that everyone would simply fall in line behind them as the "lesser evil." Instead, the result was that they undermined their argument that stricter immigration laws were grounded in racism (which they are, of course), and failed to distinguish themselves from the Republican position. Many Latinos have conservative positions on other issues, and, perceiving little significant difference between the two parties' stances on immigration, they voted based on other, less important cultural issues where there was a meaningful difference. It's worth noting that some people have the sentiment, "We came here legally so they can too," and it was only when there was (correct) messaging that cracking down on undocumented immigrants was a slippery slope that would endanger legal immigrants that they were able to be persuaded to set aside other cultural issues. This messaging was abandoned because it was considered potentially alienating the the oh so precious (white) moderate Republicans, who also didn't vote for them, because they're nonexistent/unwinnable.

This is one of many, many examples of how moving towards the "center" can alienate voters and lose votes, especially when it involves acting against your constituents' material interests.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Latinos, especially first generation immigrants, trend strongly toward being staunchly religious and socially conservative. As such, they tend to think Republicans, who are also religious conservatives, will be on their side. There's also a subset of legal immigrants who hate illegal immigrants. Add in that first generation immigrants often aren't fluent in English yet and that creates a layer of information exchange that conservative news outlets can exploit; if you don't translate the overtly racist crap the politicians say, you can make your audience rely on your white-washed commentary.

As for the folks who's families have been in the US for generations and who grew up fully bilingual in English and Spanish, I'm honestly not sure.

[–] head_socj@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

I'd also add that for young men specifically, there is an onslaught of propaganda manipulating their sexual frustration and insecurities into hatred towards women. Trump offered these men a symbolic victory against a world in which they feel they will never succeed financially or sexually. Young men from immigrant families are particularly susceptible to this, since their families are generally more socially conservative and adhere to stricter gender stereotypes.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's a coordinated effort to have pale skinned "latinos" identify as "white" in order to maintain white supremacy. That's the whole point of the term "latino" (as in the roman empire).

https://thesocietypages.org/papers/creating-a-latino-race/

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Republicans and fascist strongmen appeal to machismo culture.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm a white dude, apparently one of the relatively few left ones. It's probably because of AuDHD, I grew up knowing what it was like to be in the out group. I lived full time in Honduras for a few years, and not with the military, so I kinda know what it's like to be an immigrant. I had to deal with their visa/immigration system there. It's not the same, I'm not saying that it is, but I've lived the experience of making community and friends and being reminded by the government that you don't belong here. I also got to see the immigration issue from the perspective of the people that are subject to it. A lot of these Trump fucks have enjoyed the luxury of never questioning anything, just cruise, watch your hunting shows, live in your bubble and recite your fox news/ tim pool bullshit. I know the type, and it is utterly inconceivable to them that the could ever end up in the out group, and it's a fucking interesting ride to be along for when they do end up there. Unfortunately, too few of them realize that they weren't just being singled out by the deep state or Satan because life is a show about them, and that that's just life for people in the out group.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In 2020 black males had 80 Biden - 20 Trump and black females 90 Biden - 10 Trump. I'm generally color blind but it's hard not to see how american black culture is so much more attentive to contemporary issues and somehow pop culture managed to twist "woke" as a bad word. crazy.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember when Democrats came away from 2024 trying to blame black men?

Pepperidge Farms remembers..

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They failed and blamed BIPOC for their loss while white men and women are why Trump won. And I'm a white dude who voted for Harris.

And then they claimed they support Black Lives Matter. Brown people matter if they win, they don't care and will blame you if they lose.

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[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would be interesting if in elections only the most disenfranchised populations could vote

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

If only they were allowed to vote, would they still be the disenfranchised ones?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is made with the Cook Swingometer as shown here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1k2eap4/2024_presidential_election_if_only_men_voted/

This isn't based on the actual election results of 2024, but projections based on 2020 election data.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Latinos trying hard to be white

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Latino Men, stop listening to these propaganda stations.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's official, West Coast is the best.

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Commiefornia can’t be cracked!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you're saying that ironically to mock conservative labels, hell yeah brother!

Otherwise fuck off.

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