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[–] freewheel@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 days ago (4 children)

For some of us, the 2016 Democratic primary was quite illuminating. I'm glad to see people are catching up finally.

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 235 points 5 days ago (19 children)

If they're not with Zohran, they're against Democracy.

I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 75 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie's stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.

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[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 151 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget Bernie.

DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.

Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.

Thank fuck it's now blatantly obvious with Zohran.

[–] derry@midwest.social 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I'm not confident they will get it this time. Or care

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean really they don't, I'm pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they'll put up for 2028 and pull the same "vote for us or suffer Republicans" bs for the next election.

I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They're afraid that if they do, they'll lose a majority against Republicans, but that's already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.

Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani's voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 126 points 5 days ago (3 children)

So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.

This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.

[–] sturger@sh.itjust.works 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (7 children)
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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they're getting fucking roasted on social media for it.

Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I still think we should support those that do primary if just to show the flippant double standards.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.

We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).

The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it's not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.

🧵⚔

[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.

This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.

Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 105 points 5 days ago (14 children)

I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 67 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I'm not and have not been a fan of Harris. She's still not Trump.

Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

[–] srecko@lemm.ee 28 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I'm not from US, but why not ask for something more than lesser of two evils?

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Because that's what we were given to choose from.

Insert long, tired diatribe about FPTP voting and the US two party system here.

TL;DR: Third party votes were effectively a vote for Trump. And while I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) this was always true, and I do think folks shouldn't pretend it wasn't true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it's only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can't) Like police reform can't be done.

You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.

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[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

By definition that makes them all rightwing authoritarians aka fascists, which checks out.

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[–] FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works 73 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn't really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all... this.

It's certainly curious.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I like how she just invented her own hysterical interpretation of the interview where zohran wouldn't condemn people for saying globalize the intifada, and then when confronted with the actual quote from zohran, including the "I won't become mayor to be the word police," and she takes that and says "actually, you DO have to be word police, you have to tell people its unacceptable to say things that other people may interpret as calling for the slaughter of millions of jews, even if you know those phrases mean something completely different from how jews feel about it"

The interviewer at that point is like well he didn't say that and what he said doesn't imply the killing of jews but okay youre clearly just a violently racist woman so lets take a question from a caller and end the interview

I hope she resigns if he wins, if not then her next election should be her last. Disgusting, hateful, disqualifying behavior from this woman in that interview.

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[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

You are right.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (7 children)

It's fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn't the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.

Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.

As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.

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[–] Truthtwopower@lemmy.zip 65 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bought and paid for and unwilling to lose their power at any cost it seems.

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[–] aaron@infosec.pub 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)
[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 days ago (8 children)

the poorest most easily manipulated people

The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as "radical" and "socialist" you mean?*

 

*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it's 1952. I'm eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I'm not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.

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[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

we shall destroy the democratic party and rebuild it in our image

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would be absolutely hilarious if Musk actually set up his own party, financed it all the way to the Congress, got offended because people didn't lick is arse deep enough, got kicked out for being annoying and accidentally created an actual pro-people alternative to all these corporate vampires.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago

Heh. Prior to this year I could not have believe such a thing was even possible. But this year...

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

It's like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono

[–] itspatato@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago

DNC=Divide N Conquer

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 days ago
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Only one is an actual threat to how the Democrats do things.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Trump barely beat Harris.

Cuomo got crushed in this primary.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 14 points 4 days ago

Its as if the oligarchs dont like it when a candidate that is not endorsed by them wins

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago

The democrats have been like this since at least Clinton.

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