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[โ€“] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

europe: we have progressive values.

the "progressive values" in question:

[โ€“] edel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

How northern Europeans are falling into this is perplexing! A decade ago I would never though Sweden and Finland would have given up on their military neutrality when they have benefit so much from it. Even if you believe that Moscow really wanted to invade European Union members, Sweden and Finland would had simply be left alone so it could concentrate in the powers... short like Germany did in 1930s... now, a hypothetical aggressive Russia would have no other chance than getting rid of Finland first. For real... postWWII, the URSS invaded for years Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary... while Finland, after promisinng Moscow a non-NATO alliance, enjoyed a formidable peace and developed a amazing democratic that became the envy of the world... but now considers Moscow far more dangerous than the Moscow of the 1950s... but of course, Israel's genocide in Gaza is fine for Finland too to no reason to bother the ambassador. The level of propaganda today in the north of Europe must be out of this world!!!

Highly unlikely that Russia has any interest of invading others than Ukraine; militarily it just impossible (with constriction or not) and would had been just a nightmare to manage tens millions of people you don't even know their language, let alone culturally different. Russia became agressive after NATO backstab an agreement it had with Moscow on Libya and creating the coup in 2014 in Kyiv, completely disfranchising millions and millions of eastern Ukrainians so it could perform constitutional changes to join NATO... After multiple warnings to NATO (a last one just 2 months before, Moscow decided to invade. I still do not agree with Moscow invasion, yet I do recognize it was Washington who deliberately instigated the mess probably calculating they would either gain a new NATO member or cause a war that will devastate Russia.... either way, they saw it as a win-win... at the expense of Ukrainians social cohesion, and getting rid of what was their only problem, massive corruption by all parties.