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Hey guys,

I am currently thinking a lot about backung up my Server with Storage and things like my Vaultwarden.

As I want something pretty reliable I thought about getting a tapeloader.

What would be the most cost efficient solution there?

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[–] Robpol86@alien.top 3 points 11 months ago

In your comments you mentioned your host is gonna be truenas or unraid, and about 3TB of data to backup. I would recommend backing up to external/hotswap hard drives, which is what Ive been doing on btrfs and my soon to be main truenas scale. Around 10 years ago I scored a dell lto3 tape auto loader from work. It was interesting backing up to tape but after 5 or so years of using it i got rid of it. Biggest painpoint was the backup software. I settled on bareos which was fine but clunky to setup right. I had to write scripts to automate ejecting tapes from the autoloader and restoring files from backup was annoying, especially when backups spanned multiple tapes. Maybe with lto7 these days things are better with that new lto file system and less tapes for your 3tb of data, but youll still probably end up using bareos. If youve got the time and money id say go for it, it was a fun learning experience and initial novelty. Im not sure id go back to tapes personally though.

[–] StockRepeat7508@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago

you can buy LTO tape drive like dell on ebay, just make sure seller will dump how many hours were written with device. when you will have device you will need to connect somehow to motherboard - for example you will need sas controller which can cost like 100$ on ebay. next step would be choosing os - you can go with debian like system or centos, on github you can find ltfs repository (if i good remember developed by ibm guy? please correct me if im wrong). neext step is buying tapes - good source is amazon, for example 30eu for 2.5tb lto 6 tape (included taxes). good luck!!

ps. about which lto drive you need it depends on your needs, if 2.5tb per tape is fine then go with lto version 6..

for more you can ask on r/DataHoarder

[–] Candy_Badger@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago

Tape is a nice option, but it makes sense if you need to backup a lot of data. I personally have a local NAS, which is used as a backup target, and another one for offsite. You will need a library, tape drives, SAS HBAs. You should plan first and then buy all the equipment you need, As mentioned, you might consider m-disc as an alternative. In case you want to play with Tape, you can test Starwinds VTL. https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-tape-library

[–] neovb@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you wait long enough, you'll find an HP 1/8 G2 LTO-5 SAS autoloader tape driver somewhere between $250-$350 on eBay. That gives you 12TB uncompressed or 24TB of hypothetically compressed storage. Then buy the absolutely cheapest SAS card like a Dell H200E (which goes for about $25) and you're all set. Don't forget the appropriate SAS cable.

And, this combo works perfectly with Veeam Community Edition.

[–] kY2iB3yH0mN8wI2h@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

a good backup strategy should follow the 3-2-1 rule (I recommend google it so you understand the concept)

I use tape for the pure purpose of easily having a backup offsite. Even if we don't foresee [insert your worst nightmare] happening it might, and having your data save outside of your house is for me a must.

Now its quite easy to store pictures and documents in the cloud and its fairly safe, but storing a lot of virtual machines, databases etc. in the cloud can be expensive. Storing the data on hard drives might be easy, but in 10 years who knows what interfaces your computer will have, that will be compatible? Also hard drives are clumsy.

Tapes allows me to take a backup every night, every week, and a monthly backup, as well as one quarterly backup without having to having to buy 10 hard drives.

I can easily store each tape at remote locations. Currently I only have tapes at work and at a family place, but all in the same city. Backups have saved my life 10+ times due to hardware issues.

A tapeloader might be better than having a single backup drive, but is more expensive and would require a tape backup software that can handle the loader.

[–] FabsDE@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

What device can you recommend? I am not quite sure were the journey will go, but good recommendations are worthy.

[–] HumanInTerror@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Also interested!

[–] AmaTxGuy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

https://youtu.be/f6vhrbD9WkA?si=VyAFF8INKBs75FUy

I saw this a few months ago. Might be of interest

[–] jayaram13@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While not a direct answer to your question, you might want to consider M-Disc as a viable long term storage alternative. Much cheaper than tape and guaranteed to last at least 5 years (safe realistically for at least 10 years)

[–] FabsDE@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well the maximum size of an M-Disc Blu-ray is 100GB so I would have to write 10-30 of them… that would be pretty annoying 😅

[–] Spooler32@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It would be initially, but then you only have to add one every 100GB. How annoying would it be then?

For me, not very. My data grows by 100GB every few months.