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[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Back on Reddit, there were even complaints that EA's anticheat was conflicting with Riot's anticheat. Yep, now you potentially need two different installations of Windows to run each of your games. At this point, you would need to buy several SSDs and a SSD extension (or an external USB reader, since USB speeds nowadays are relatively fast enough to afford running those games from an external drive), then install each game (and operative system) in a different one, and swap between them before booting, just like a cartridge. Same would go, of course, for your actual main GNU/Linux drive that contains your actual personal data - that way, the anticheat can't even see your personal information, as it'd physically unplugged from your computer. And since Windows checks the license per motherboard, not per drive, you should be able to recycle the activation key between your Valorant "cartridge" and your Battlefield "cartridge". At this point, paying for a dedicated game console and the online pass starts becoming attractive...

...That, or just boycott multiplayer games altogether. If your group of friends doesn't mind, of course.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hm, yeah, it's something every developer should know; client-side validation of input still needs server-side validation, because client-side is not reliable, no mather what you force on them.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I play games mostly on my Steam Deck after migrating from Xbox. Didn't want to pay for Internet access to use the Internet I already pay for (Xbox Live).

Battlefield games like BF1 and BF4 used to run on the Deck about a year ago, but then EA toggled something and disallowed any and all Linux distros. Can't remember their reasoning, but something something anti-cheat.

Now me, a paying customer, was fucking pissed. I purchased these games on my Steam Deck to avoid corporate walled gardens like the Xbox, and then EA lock me out of my purchase after the refund period had elapsed. What the fuck????

So I started dual booting Windows 10 on the Deck to regain access to a product I had paid for. Fucking shit I had to do this in the first place.

But now I need to enable Secure Boot to play the new shit, and I have no clue how to do this without bricking my Deck. I'm an engineer, but not the software type. I don't want to fuck around with my gear just to play games.

Client-side AC is a poor solution to cheating that can be solved with server-side AC.

Fuck EA. Fuck M$. Fuck all the corporations that want to run spyware on my devices

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 12 points 1 day ago

Server side anticheats need to be considered. Clientside has been annoying users far too much, and can be bypassed. A combination of both (and I’d like a less intrusive clientside one) would be better

[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It's disgusting, isn't needed, and just plain isn't effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it's just not effective.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

a year ago on Mastodon when EA started locking out games like Apex Legends, BF1, V, 2042, etc from Linux I said "I bet you Microsoft is about to launch a handheld and since they have a deal with EA and Gamepass they want EA Exclusivity on their handheld and to lockout Steamdeck/Valve" sure enough a few months later Microsoft announces their Xbox handheld with Asus.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

And what's the one thing they are getting fucking torched over even by Xbox loyalists? The price (Steam Deck has a cheaper SKU)

[–] wizzim@infosec.pub 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I am not sure about this conspiracy theory of yours: Microsoft does not want third party applications in the kernel space anymore.

https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

Not entirely;

https://github.com/microsoft/ebpf-for-windows

Microsoft just want that 3rd party code to interact in a more predictable way with the kernel

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your anti-cheat doesn't work anyway so let me play in linux you cowards.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 points 6 hours ago

They want to keep windows relevant so hard. Yeah, i enable secure boot, and let some kernel level anti cheat into my system. At least i don't have to play with cheaters. Oh there are still cheaters. So glad

[–] ChaosSpectre@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

More proof that anti-cheat and bans just isn't a working approach.

Almost every cheater I've talked to or seen interviewed has said they do it because they like winning. If thats the case, pushing them away isnt getting rid of them, its making them try to win harder, and they are literally spending money to make that happen.

This means, there is a market for cheaters, one that publishers and devs simply assault instead of realizing they could replace it entirely.

Create a marketplace in your game for cheats. When a player buys a cheat in game, they can turn it on but only in a specific playlist that cheaters get to play in. You dont need to own or turn on cheats to play in that playlist, in case you feel like challenging yourself, but cheaters can use them as much as they want in that playlist. If a cheater wants to go into cheat free playlist, their cheats get turned off by the game and they have to play like everyone else. Cheat free playlists can have cheat detection, and if you are caught cheating then you get banned from cheat free playlists permanently, but you arent banned from the game or the cheat playlist.

This deters cheaters from paying third parties for cheats, gives them a space to experiment in, makes money for the company running the game, and reduces the amount of cheaters in regular public lobbies. It also creates a space of challenge for people who don't cheat, sorta like how people will do no death runs in souls games.

Sure, it isnt a perfect solution, but its far better than punishing every player with invasive tech, while simultaneously letting a market of cheat sellers thrive. For a bunch of capitalists, its wild they haven't realized they are missing out on money with cheats.

...alternatively just shadow ban all the cheaters into cheater only lobbies.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I suspect that if you're now playing where everyone else gets the same advantages, that ruins the fun of having cheats

If not and the cheats themselves are just that fun to use, sure, add it in as another gamemode

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago
[–] CtrlAltDyeet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

And yet they have the audacity to block Linux players

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 133 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now...

But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they're necessary, think they can't be spoofed.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

Small pp energy.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly, I think the financial incentive is too great these days. People make decent money off this shit

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cheat developers, yes. Because there is demand. The question though was, why there is demand.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

at this point i just wanna cheat the hell out of these crappy games out of spite.

[–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's punishing legit players, not the developers. Not playing this shit is the correct spiteful choice.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i already don't, feels like they need more spite.

if the players have a bad time they will leave. show them kernel level anticheat doesn't work and its pointlessly invasive.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 120 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I love the Battlefield series but I'm not turning on Secure Boot for them. If it remains a hard requirement, I'll simply be passing altogether.

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Why are people like this. How does this make gaming enjoyable?

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly, if I had the skills I'd be doing that as an explicit fuck you to the draconian anticheat bullshit they force on everyone, because what better fuck you than showing all that effort was for naught, especially close to launch.

EA can go fuck themselves with the world's biggest cactus.

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[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 2 points 20 hours ago

Just clear the CMOS.

I had issues aswell where I couldn't boot, and you wanna know why? Because I didn't follow the step by step instructions EA tells you to follow. Follow those instructions, and it'll work just fine.

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[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (15 children)

So I can’t play battlefield without TPM? I hate tech these days. My Ryzen board doesnt have it. Hence why I’m not on windows 11

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

So you got the spyware without the benefits, that's a hell of a surprise isn't it?

But thank you for your money suckers!

[–] brezel@piefed.social 76 points 3 days ago (59 children)

beautiful. fuck secureboot.

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