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The greatest debate of our time (files.catbox.moe)
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[-] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 111 points 10 months ago

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 63 points 10 months ago

Can confirm it's a shitty metric. I once saved the company I was working at few millions by changing one line of code. And it took 3 days to find it. And it was only 3 characters changed.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 27 points 10 months ago

That's the curse and blessing of our profession: efficiency of work is almost impossible to measure once you go beyond very simple code.

You can feel like a hero for changing three characters and finally fixing that nasty, or you can feel like an absolute disgrace for needing days to find such a simple fix. Your manager employs the same duality of judgement

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 15 points 10 months ago

I feel like a hero in this particular case, it was a bug in a code that was written when I was still too young to even read. And no one knew how to run it. We didn't have access to the pipelines so no one knew how to build it and how to run it. It was a very obscure hybrid of C and PHP. I basically had to be the compiler, I went line by line through the whole codebase, searching for the code path that caused the error. Sounds easy enough, right? Just CTRL+click in your IDE. Wouldn't it be a shame if someone decided that function names should be constructed as a string using at least 20 levels of nesting where each layer adda something to the function name and then it's finally called. TL;DR it was a very shitty code.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

What the fuck. I'm so appalled I had to leave this useless comment to digitally stare with an agape mouth.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

To be fair, they said I'll be dealing with legacy code from time to time during the interview.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

But did you add 3 characters? Gotta bump up that code count bruh.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 13 points 10 months ago

Nope, removed 3, added 1.

[-] stylist_trend@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

I wrote a program that does nothing but busy loop on all cores. stylist_trend/Linux is my favourite OS.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

i’m partial to the more relaxing sleep(500)/linux os, but to each their own

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[-] starman@programming.dev 11 points 10 months ago

Then this: :(){ :|:& };: is most important code in existence.

[-] stylist_trend@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

What you refer to as Linux, is actually called Forkbomb/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calli-[Process Killed]

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[-] style99@kbin.social 57 points 10 months ago

Ubuntu: "Linux"
Fedora: "Linux"
Arch: "Linux"
Gentoo: "Linux"
Slackware: "Linux"
Debian: "Free Operating System"

[-] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's more truth to that than most people realize: Linux is only one kernel option in Debian:

Debian GNU/kFreeBSD

Debian GNU/NetBSD

Debian GNU/Hurd

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

Debian: "Libre Operating System"

FTFY

[-] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 55 points 10 months ago

Been running a Linux based os for coming up on two years. I still definitely do not care about this.

[-] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Been running a Linux based os for coming up on twenty years. I still definitely do not care about this.

[-] Hallainzil@startrek.website 39 points 10 months ago

[-] traches@sh.itjust.works 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But the compiler is GNU!

If you compile windows with GCC is it gnu/windows?

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 27 points 10 months ago

So, how's Hurd doing these days? If they want their own operating system, maybe they should release version 1.0 of their kernel.

[-] Jerrimu2@startrek.website 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There are distros without GNU, like alpine.

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[-] dcat@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

obligatory

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

Well, no surprise they have more lines of code. And that's even if you disregard printing help.

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[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

I honestly never cared about this, it's the first time I write something about that, but any Linux-based OS is made of countless different software. What limits the number of names to two? Why can't I call my OS OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux, then why not Wayland/OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux? That would be crazy. A single recognizable name is what makes it.

Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.

Not shitting on GNU at all, but this push for calling the OS Gnu/Linux seems futile

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[-] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

This is why Windows users don’t switch.

[-] ShustOne@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago

I used Linux for many years, I still run it for my personal projects. I'm sure it's not everyone but damn the community is toxic as hell to newbies. If something doesn't work it's your fault. Don't know what flatpak is? You're an idiot. How do I use X? Don't use X it sucks but also I won't provide alternatives. Linux just works now open up terminal and type these flags to mount your external drive correctly so other programs can see it.

I love the power and customization but it's a confusing world at times with unhelpful people.

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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago

Some guy got mad at me for referring to linux as GNU/Linux in a post clearly making fun of him for being a huge shit head to someone earnestly trying to do something on Linux and failing. Never address any of the criticisms, just called me an idiot and a liar. SOME linux users are their own worst enemy if they want wider adoption.

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

busybox, musl and llvm enter the room

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

holds up linux os without gnu software WHATS THIS THEN HUH?!

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Gnu+Linux+Arch+KDE

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Cuz like, GNU was the thing before Linux, so I'd say that's pretty important.

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[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago

Take a look at Alpine, Void, and (most importantly) Chimera Linux.

[-] lasagna@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

I thought it was arch?

[-] Speiser0@feddit.de 24 points 10 months ago

I use arch/linux, btw.

As a german I also use Arsch, btw., for sitting.

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[-] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The shortest proper name is GNU.

Inb4 Alpine, which is just called "Linux" internally.

People use terrible words in CS and engineering in general. Doesn't mean we don't challenge them.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 14 points 10 months ago

I mean, GNU wants to be called an operating system but it can't talk to hardware.

[-] starman@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

Linux want to be called an operating system but it's a kernel.

if only there was a way to combine these two...

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

With a / obviously

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[-] dukk@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

Alpine Linux: what’s up, guys?

[-] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 5 points 10 months ago

Does GNU userspace even make the top-3 Linux userspaces?

[-] Whisper06@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

So GNU I’d just bloat /s

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