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PlayStation accounts are being ‘permanently suspended’ and no one knows why (www.theverge.com)

submitted 9 months ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/games@sh.itjust.works

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If this were to happen to my Steam account even if just for a few days, I'd never purchase a game that's not 100 % DRM free ever again and I'd also pirate my whole library.

I don't know Sony, you're kind of messing things up lately.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure lately is the right term here.

Continually might be better: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

[–] CooperHawkes@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Thank you for posting this! I will never forget this and avoid Sony products like the plague exactly because of this.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

why even build this option into the system? no troll is going to care after a year.....no legitimate sicko is going to be cooled off by forever either

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Account bans (not access to online services) should literally only be forever. They're for fraud and hacking and shit.

Nothing that doesn't warrant a lifetime ban should remove access to games.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why would you ban anyone who truly deserves it (e.g. for cheating or harassment or sexual harassment) for anything less than forever? What would you gain from giving them a chance to come back other than a high chance for more moderator headaches?

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Pshh you’re being downvoted but fuck that. If a ban is legit, make it permanent. Cheating? Shouting slurs at folks? Fuck off, banned forever. Companies used to do that, now they’re WEAK

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you also believe all crimes should result in life imprisonment?

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If it came with no downsides, sure. Not being able to play Playstation is a very minor part in life not really deserving any kind of "fundamental rights" based argument, unlike locking people up.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you not have a fundamental right to the goods you purchase?

[+] null@slrpnk.net -6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But you didn't purchase them, you licensed them conditionally.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah technically, but that only stands until enough people challenge it

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In other words, no you do not currently have a fundamental right to that content.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In other words, no not even close to what I said.

Often these little legalese situations are illegal or legally undefined, and the only reason it holds is because no one has pushed against it

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Got any similar examples?

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Any terms of service agreement. When legally challenged, they usually do not hold up in court.

Playstation makes you sign one that says you dont get to own the games you pay for and they can take them away whenever. A judge would likely tell them thats illegal, and they have to render services paid.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

There is a reason the "you behave like an ass, you lose access" part is not usually the one anyone challenges in court.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Okay but hit me with some examples.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you can google specific lawsuits like a big boy on your own, no?

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you're talking out of your ass. Got it.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol, or I trust you can type things like "terms of service legal standing" into a search bar, and have better things to do than research something I already know for a stranger who wont read anything I find for them.

Look through my comments. The last dipshit who played this game ghosted me after I found them 4 sources. Guaranteed, they did not read them.

If you actually care? You can find the info. We both know you didnt care what I brought you, tho, which is why youre pretending a knock off reddit forum needs citations to be correct.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I googled it and looks like you were wrong.

Edit: also lol at "This isn't reddit, I can spout whatever crap I want without backing it up"

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"the law doesnt support this when push comes to shove, judges do not side with it"

"Source?"

"If you care you can find it yourself, this is a comment section"

"RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Lol ok bud

[–] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hey look, another comment with nothing even close to a defense.

Let's replay this to see why what you're saying is such obvious bullshit, shall we?

First you claimed that one has a "fundamental right" to access digital content they've "purchased" (licensed conditionally). There is no such fundamental right. You're flat-out wrong there. Go ahead, Google it.

But let's give you a little wiggle room and assume you just didn't know what a fundamental right is. What you're saying is that if you violate the terms of service by engaging in cheating, harassment, or sexual harassment, and the platform bans you, thereby removing your access to that content, a judge would rule against the platform and have them reinstate your access in almost every case.

First of all, the shift from "fundamental right" to "often" and "usually" is a pretty transparent move on your part. But that aside, you're still just talking out of your ass. Of course there are cases where terms and conditions have been deemed to be unenforceable. But certainly not "most of the time" and definitely not in cases of obvious malicious activity.

Cute little reply though.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its not a defense because this isnt a debate? Im not the judge, and you arent either. I dont care what you believe, because your belief doesnt change the law.

If you care, you can google it bud. You dont need me to find this for you.

But you clearly dont care about facts, you want to play gotcha. Poorly, but youre obviously only trying to make this a debate you can win.

Its not a debate, honey. Its sad you think it is.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Lmao, I just laid out all the facts. But sure, keep telling yourself that I just don't care about them.

I did Google it, bud. There's nothing out there that confirms what you're saying.

But obviously it would kill you to admit it, so I'll let you double-down, make another last dismissive, empty comment to grab the last word and feel good about yourself.

Edit: Look at that. Right on cue.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Facts? Oh, source?

E: no source? Lol so youre full of shit, by your own admission

[–] LapGoat@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

hi, sometimes people get banned for no reason.

if they're a repeat offender, ban them again easy.

otherwise, nah.

people let their siblings, children, friends play on their consoles.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh, there should absolutely be ways to appeal a ban if you have a legitimate argument, but making it temporary for everyone is just insane.

[–] LapGoat@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago

bans are already temporary in the sense that offenders can acquire new accounts, hardwares, or networks to circumvent them anyway. all that permanent bans does is guarantee that people who are falsely banned, arent repeat offenders, or even got hacked themselves get permanantly banned.

appeal processes arent a guarantee to getting an account back.

Games have much more strict bans than they need imo.

a lot of terrible chat filters have gotten people permabanned and thats kinda just it. im here for no permanent bans.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Many PlayStation Network users reported Monday that their accounts were unexpectedly permanently suspended.

“This account is permanently suspended from PlayStation Network due to violations of the PlayStation Network Terms of Service and User Agreement,” Sony said in a message to one user.

A user on Reddit reported getting a similar message, and a look at PlayStation accounts on Facebook and Instagram shows dozens of people who’ve received similar notices in the last few hours.

I’ve also seen reports from the gaming forum ResetEra and from Verge readers who wrote into our tips inbox.

Some who have received these suspensions are understandably distraught, as they may have spent a lot of money on digital PlayStation games that they no longer have access to.

I booted up my PS5 and was able to jump into Baldur’s Gate 3 and Fortnite just like I normally would, and I was also able to log into the iOS PlayStation app without seeing a ban.

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[–] kn0ck@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Good bot.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 9 months ago

NFTs fix this problem