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[โ€“] misk@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also worth pointing out: referendum campaign has less strict spending limits compared to parliamentary elections so this is one more way (on top of utilizing state media and state owned enterprises) that PiS can outspend competition in upcoming elections which are held on the same day.

[โ€“] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

What a coincidence!

[โ€“] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please put a leave EU clause as well.

[โ€“] misk@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Right now all of the proposed questions are so bonkers that many people will get parliamentary elections ballot and ignore referendum. EU accession referendum is the only referendum ever that met quorum in Poland so putting that question on a ballot could potentially mobilize people.

PiS won't do it because their long term plan is to sow enough distrust to EU that they would have to "begrudgingly" leave the EU in a couple of years. They don't need a referendum for that either - previous government (led by PO) passed a law so that only a parliamentary majority is required for that IIRC.

[โ€“] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a minimum on vote participation for referendums in Poland?

[โ€“] misk@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, 50% quorum required.

Parliamentary elections turnout will easily exceed 50% so it'll be a huge cluster fuck to boycott referendum because people will likely be handed both ballots by default. It's illegal to take ballot away or destroy it. Invalid votes are counted toward quorum. So far it looks like we'll have to specifically refuse and have this on the record.

[โ€“] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That sounds massively illegal. I hope you have a good supreme court. But even then, people could still vote against the proposed referendum

[โ€“] misk@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That sounds massively illegal.

Holding elections and referendum together is kinda illegal but who's going to stop them.

I hope you have a good supreme court.

EU is suing us because supreme court doesn't meet criteria for being independent and impartial. Constitutional court is even worse.

But even then, people could still vote against the proposed referendum

The questions are "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" themed and any participation legitimizes this circus unfortunately.