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[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Money. It really is that simple.

Reddit wanted to kill third party apps because they have ad blocking features and don't show unwarranted sponsored posts. Reddit wants to serve users as much ads and sponsored content as possible, which was not really able to happen with third party apps.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Dr. Capitalism, or How I listened to stop worrying and love the dollar.

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

As always, $$$

[–] mtnwolf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like they all see the inevitability that AI will drastically change the money model very soon. And it will not be to their profit, so best make every penny they can right now is their mentality.

[–] astro@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

capitalism β€” they want more money

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interest rates go up. Quantitative Easing go down.

They might have to play with real money lol

[–] taco_ballerina@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is it. For nearly 15 years money was basically free for tech companies. Banks don't pay anything, bonds don't pay anything, the stock market is overheated and investors are still looking for return. So if your tech company was already public you could borrow in the form of bank loans or bonds for dirt cheap and if it was still privately held you can get money from individual and corporate investors.

Now that the free money era is over a lot of companies have had to finally think about making a profit so that they can keep the lights on. This is why there have been tens of thousands laid off in the tech sector in the last year or so.

As far as Reddit goes I have no idea what they've been thinking. It seems like they've been spending money developing features nobody wants or needs: locally hosted images and video which have to cost a fortune, live chat, and NFTs, to name a few. They've got the ~20th most popular website in the world with millions of daily active users and they can't figure out how to make it profitable?

The API the third party applications used doesn't serve ads. All they had to do for a bump in revenue is to insert ads and require third party applications to display them or risk losing their API access. Users would grumble but it's a pretty reasonable ask. The fact that they didn't do this demonstrates to me that they don't think the money is in serving ads, they think it's in data mining and they can only get the data they want from the official app.

[–] turquoise@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In short: money.

Long story is that a lot of these tech companies started as startups funded by VCs.
Borrowing money was cheap so they got dumped buckets of money onto them to burn in an effort to try to get a foothold and/or kill off competition by undercutting them.

Now that they've gained a foothold and in some cases have a near monopoly or duopoly and now that borrowing money isn't cheap anymore, they need to start cutting cost if not outright turn a profit.

And so the enshittification begins.

Specifically for Twitter, Musk needs to cut cost because he bought Twitter at a severe premium and has made it less valuable by the minute ever since he took over. This to the point that he is leaving bills unpaid.

Specifically for Reddit, they've burned through all that VC money and have been eying a juicy exit in the form of an IPO. An IPO would be a payday for everyone who initially invested into Reddit because now they can sell their shares for more than what they invested (or at least that's their hope). In order to get a good price once they go public they want to cut cost and increase revenue to seem as valuable as possible.

Specifically for YouTube, the ad game has been generating less and less revenue over time and advertisers have been burned in the past by having their ads placed next to objectionable content.
So the knee-jerk reaction is to severely tighten the rules for content, lest they be demonetized.
This however made creators realize that their livelihood in the form of the pittance that's called AdSense payout is very fragile, so they started moving to doing sponsorships, soliciting Patreon donations and partnering with Nebula.

Now YouTube is missing out on those revenue streams and often ad revenue as well as creators often turn off ads on their video when they have sponsor deals etc. So what does YouTube do? They started monetizing videos of creators who are not eligible for their partner program (i.e. place ads on videos and not share it with creators) and not give those creators the option to turn off ads, they started severely increasing the amount of ads on videos that do run ads, they started severely pushing YouTube Premium and now they're cracking down on adblockers.

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[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The user bubble has popped now that investors started questioning why the fuck they’ve been investing huge amounts of money into companies that make no money just because they have lots of users. With that investment money drying up, these tech companies are desperate to start making a profit so they can survive and grow their value still.

TLDR: investment in unprofitable tech companies is drying up and companies that aren’t profitable are scrambling to make money.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They are trying to squeeze as much money out of their platforms as possible, regardless of the fact that it's at the expense of users and will downgrade users experiences.

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly they do it so consistently that i'm starting to wonder if they have a choice.

A common way to do things for tech startups is that they get venture capital funds, use them to run the business at a loss hoping to acquire market dominance, and then use market dominance to turn a profit. I think a lot of tech startups that we know are currently in phase 2, meaning they've thrown money out the window for years and are now trying to recoup their investments.

Also, Reddit wants to go public and Twitter already is. This is relevant because investors are animals, all they see is short-term profit, and they use their voting power to make the company behave that way.

There's a common thread between both my theories: it's shareholder capitalism. I say this as a lifelong shareholder myself, shareholders ruin everything.

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cory Doctorow termed it "Enshittification", and wrote about the process here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

[–] Jaximus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stupidity and greed, a great combination!

[–] meddler15Regain@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not necessarily greed. The infrastructure to keep Reddit alive can't be cheap. How do you pay for that? VC money has dried up so these services that have been free to users are all quickly scrambling to make money. I definitely think they did it wrong. They should have planned the API fee changes out for years instead of trying to force it in a month.

[–] jamesh@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They make money by serving adds to the people providing their site content.

And no, that is not what happened. They were trying to increase their valuation for future share holders.

Edit: adding it is the only greed, that is the reason.

[–] roo@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Billionaires are circlejerking all push backs against wealth redistribution mechanisms. They want to use the fallout of any apparent mechanism shutdown as swag within billionaire soundbite circles. The ultimate tool is a flamethrower, or something similar. It's all a flex!

Sycophants, cronies, and useful idiots will be doing shout outs on handouts, commies, vox populi, failures, freaks, basket cases, lay offs, recessions, leftists, parasites, leaners, blah, blah, blah -- weird ass rich people lickboot enshittifications.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if restricting API access might be related to the explosion of GPT where ML companies need training data and they've been sucking it up from everywhere they can. Reddit and Twitter realized that they could charge these companies for access instead and hence all of a sudden API access costs money.

[–] Barky@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That has been the reasoning from Reddit. I believe it's one of those business conveniences where yes, he's not wrong, and gives them an excuse to kill something they think is extracting revenue from them (3rd party apps). Convenient excuse, but no one believes it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I mean the purpose of a commercial platform is to create profit for the owners of the platform. I find it kind of funny that people are all outraged that these platform are pursuing their business interests. The mistake people made was to rely on these platforms to build their communities thinking that made them stakeholders.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Ultimately a for-profit social platform can only make money via advertising. If you are depending on advertisers to be profitable you become beholden to those advertisers. Advertisers do not care about "community," "sustainability," or what made the platform attractive to users in the first place. But they do care about "public perception," and "number of users," and most importantly number of impressions per user, per hour. The advertisers customers care about things that hurt their branch, so they dont' want NSFW content, they don't want violent content, they don't want controversial content, they don't want anti-capitalist content, they want "quality" impressions.

So if you are twitter or reddit, or facebook, or whatever, if your advertisers make a demand that will piss off your users and make it worse for them you will always do it and you will continue to do it until the platform dies.

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