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[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Alienation isn't limited to the workplace anymore. It has found it's way into the platforms we spend our free time on.

[–] Cynosure@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I miss lemmy.ml before the reddit API changes. Not nearly as many bootlickers.

[–] mawkler@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

No, it means that the users should own the services, which is what the F in FOSS means

[–] animist@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

When you say "workers" do you mean the actual workers or some vanguard party of intellectual champagne socialists who make decisions on the workers' behalf?

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Actual workers. If we made a society where people are taken care of, we'd find most folks would be enthusiastic about their work. Saying "people don't want to work" is often taken at face value when the reality is that most people do want to work, because it helps them feel a sense of purpose. They don't, however, want to be exploited/work under capitalism because that is soul crushing.

[–] animist@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

Oh I agree completely with all of that. I just have been duped before by MLs saying worker ownership and what they really mean is their particular political party controlling everything. If everything is run by workers' councils with no existence of a vanguard party, that would be paradise for me.

I would also go beyond saying that labor (not "work," as IMO the word "work" implies labor under capitalism) gives people a sense of purpose in that it gives communities a sense of purpose and connectedness. When we are all sharing in common labor toward the goal of enhancing our community and generally improving lives, we feel a more collectivized responsibility for one another.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Obviously they meant the former since that's what we're literally doing here. But even the latter would do a better job managing Twitter/Reddit than what they have now.

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[–] Lamy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

today I learned an important new word

[–] lemmychatwitpeeps@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmao, social media sites would be insanely worse if the employees made all the decisions. They would all be left-wing circle jerks, as if you all haven't gotten unhinged enough.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are you doing trolling on this site then?

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[–] ConsciousLochNess@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is some LibSoc thinking. See: in early USSR days when they tried more worker-cooperative based ownership they had to stop because the factory workers kept just immediately selling their factories for money now that they owned them.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Incidentally, I wrote a detailed article on the subject a while back https://justiceinternationale.com/articles/2020-12-02-we-must-own-our-tools/

[–] antihero9079@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thats some high quality bruh. FOSS software and communism have very little in common. Yeah sure power for the people, but thinking that everyone should be equal in this enviroment is misleading. Lemmy like every other platform still has to have moderators that are over normal users. The ecosystem itself does not allow abuse. Eg. You can have a strict mod and then host your own instance that is true free speech or whatsoever. If u gonna post nazi stuff or smth like that then they gonna defederate. It's better in some sort because u don't have spam monkey and other extremists but still u get to choose your own poison.

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