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[–] Omnificer@lemmy.world 89 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Nomads from Cyberpunk 2020/2077 were not on my bingo card for this year.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 123 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The sad thing is that a Cyberpunk dystopia is nominally interesting. Violent, terrible, and impoverished, yes, but also fastpaced and exciting. Our world is dull, programmatic, largely predictable, and extremely boring unless you have disposable income. We all have cellphones, yes, but that doesn't make it cyberpunk.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's because people in cyberpunk settings actually have the volition and guts to make change happen, and to put themselves through adversity against all the odds. People in the real world probably won't attend a peaceful protest in their area for something they support if they aren't in the mood.

[–] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The characters the story is written about do. The people living in it that the main character doesn't even interact with don't. Nobody cares about salaryman #97543784 who, at the beginning and end of the story is still pushing pencils but maybe reads about an office explosion in the news.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

This is true of any work of fiction. People in works of fiction - at least works of sci-fi or fantasy adventure - are typically more risk taking because that's interesting to a reader/audience and the author knows this.

[–] justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

I appreciate the text file in the image

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This isn't even new, just getting worse faster than it used to.

[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

But think of the profits from squeezing finite resources trying to achieve infinite growth.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 11 months ago

Think of the prevalence of van lifers

It's been gaining popularity as it gets harder and harder to own anything

[–] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

You know it's getting bad when this news isn't shocking to you anymore...

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 11 months ago

You better start believing in cyberpunk dystopia. You're in one!

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 82 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was homeless for 8 years and a good portion of that I lived in my car

What I wouldn't have given to have a safe place to park each night during that time

It's better than a tent, but not by much

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any pro tips on that? Shit feels like I can share this fate anytime soon.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Having financial plans in place is very important, I know it's hard but making a savings account will help a lot. Even if you just set it up so that $20 a week goes to it it will help.

Most Americans can't afford a $500 emergency so your first goal will be getting to that point in a savings account. Your second goal will be getting to that point plus having funds in your account for you deductibles for your insurances (car, health, renters, etc). Then your out of pocket max for health.

It's a slow roll building a savings account and it's hard to leave it alone but it will help a lot.

Of course even then it's still pretty nerve wracking so one thing that I've done is get a line of credit with my credit union and some credit cards with really high limits that I pay off every month and only use for like gas or groceries. That way they stay open and in the event of a financial emergency that surpasses my savings I'm not completely fucked. Which saved my ass 2 years ago when I had to have emergency dental surgery 3 times in one year. ($10k that I'm still paying off)

Basically trying not to over extend yourself financially will help immensely.

But a massive help is having a healthy social safety net.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for writing that. I felt like credit card taught me to be a little irresponsible with cash (even though I payed for everything from debit straight away - I thought this two-step payment would better my score and limit for the future, lol), so I blocked it, but from that angle it really makes sense to have one in case of emergencies.

Paying for three dentals in a row can be only topped by the constant dental pain itself. If you budget didn't crumble under that weight, with your situation, you are a tugboat called Unsinkable (or even Unthinkable?). I'm not joking, I can't imagine it now, even though I'm housed and have some people I can loan from. It's just too much.

Why's that much discipline and intellect is needed to stay alive while poor? Stereotypes paints poor people as lazy and stupid. Is there a special program I can apply to and stop caring at all? Doubt so ):

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

My finances took a huge hit due to that and basically had me plate spinning for awhile.

Now that I've only got a few thousand left to pay it's a lot easier.

The fun thing about stereotypes is that they are just blanket statements that apply to basically none of them.

Are there some lazy and stupid poor people? Yes, but they exist all along the financial spectrum.

The discipline necessary for having credit cards with high limits makes things really tough (trust me I know)

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, this is a lot better / more hopeful than other stories. These people are doing far better than the homeless in tents. In winter.

Like these poor people: https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-nenookaasi-homeless-encampment-packs-up-and-moves-three-blocks-south/600332431/

[–] mrchuckles@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the land is being developed, and crime was getting out of control. and they only had to move three blocks to a different one, supplied by the city. to cite the very article you posted:

There were more than 100 emergency calls for drug use, sex acts, theft, vandalism and unresponsive people in and around the camp. A number of neighboring American Indian nonprofit organizations urged the city to close it.

it’s a little more nuanced than mean people kicking out poor defenseless citizens.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree that the situation in the article is complicated and that these homeless people were not exactly saints.

My point above is that these homeless people living in tents in an empty lot in January are worse off than the homeless people in the article that OP references. Those homeless people live in cars in a protected lot which I think is a big improvement from tent life.

[–] mrchuckles@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

tru. at least it’s been a pretty mild winter in mn so far, fingers crossed.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Is jesus f***ing christ incest?

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Jesus and Christ are the same person so it would be more like masturbation

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

A hole is a hole.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

so selfcest

[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

More likely masturbation

[–] ChildOfTama@startrek.website 25 points 11 months ago

I think step one is universal healthcare. For many reasons that we all are familiar with by now. (being tied to a job that has income limitations because you need the healthcare(ish) it provides, becoming bankrupted by healthcare costs, getting kicked out of your housing due to medical costs)

The revolutionary silver bullet to begin increasing housing availability is to eliminate the ability to depreciate assets via the tax code if they are single family detached homes. Many of these rentals are already fully depreciated and will remain rentals. But recently purchased (within 10 yrs.) rentals will likely be sold and importantly they will not be purchased by 'investors'. That shift will provide a flood of homes into the market which will apply downward pressure on prices. More people being able to afford to purchase those homes will free up rental availability, thus applying downward pressure on rental affordability.

Now that only addresses single family homes; there remains multifamily housing to be addressed which will be more complex. A robust government regulatory agency for housing is not something we currently have in the usa, obviously. (see picture) Reforms of those regulatory bodies are needed whereby penalties they assess would have actual teeth. I imagine penalties that remove ownership. I also imagine the countless tax incentives used in constructing and rehabilitating these structures being negotiated quite differently, to include public ownership.

Just a few thoughts here; I haven't all the answers. I'm curious when the last housing project was built in the usa.

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

This isn't cringe. This is wince.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Totally normal fucking country we got here

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

They have cars? Must be fucking nice! /s

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

We call them outdoor people.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

We didn't make big cars because we wanted to drive big cars. We knew we'd need them as small homes.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Such an inefficient use of space. We should make parking garages for them! /j