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I wasted so much time thanks to reddit shadowban (lemmy.world)
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My first shadowban I think took me about 2 months to realise why I wasn't getting any replies... I had posted numerous help topics and just started to think that Reddit wasn't that useful anymore.

Then I realised I'd been shadowbanned. I didn't even know what it was.

I guess my IP or something got flagged because generally I was never able to make an account that lasted more than a few days without getting shadowbanned. At first it was okay even, some subreddits your account was working fine. Posting in the homelab subreddits or datahoarder etc. other subs like news, worldnews etc. my comments never got any replies.

I only ever used my acc mostly to ask questions. When I got my answer, I abandoned the thread. Didn't have time for drama and I generally didn't even reply to comments except to give more info on a request.

Month-on-month it got worse. Accounts which had no right to be flagged, got shadowbanned. One day I'd be posting fine, the next. Shadowbanned.

Then I'd make another account. Different device, different IP, even from a friend's computer in another country. I realised later they'd track you through everything. If you went to threads of a person who was shadowbanned, you also got it. Ultimately I spent ages trying to have even just one account with enough karma that I could post without captcha or 10 minute delay.

I wasted months and despite how much I read about it. I could never figure out how it worked. Reading about it also felt like a waste of my time.

When reddit finally shut down the public api and the apps I was using stopped working. I ditched it immediately. Gradually I also went back to stackoverflow. Even if it takes longer to get an answer, they are so much higher quality.

Looking back, I knew reddit sucked but boy was I mad when I thought of how much time I wasted. Just because I didn't spend 7 years of my life building a 75k karma account...

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[–] Gorbachof@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Does anyone else just see a blank post?

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

This reminds me of my early Lemmy days when I asked if I had successfully commented and someone replied "No, I can't see your comment" and for a second my dumbass believed them

[–] plain_jane@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Lol that's so mean 😂

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm seeing some weird symbols, looks like a Lemmy bug.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For a cat, everything on the screen looks like some weird symbols or bugs. That's normal.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

doesnt_look_like_anything_to_me.gif

[–] Steveanonymous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t see anything

[–] oleorun@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

hunter1

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I mean… you sound like a kinda shitty user. You only ever ask for help, never contribute.

You don’t interact with people who have suggestions.

Did you even thank the people who eventually gave you the right answer?

Maybe you should stick to stack overflow.

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think any of that constitutes a shitty user. Maybe just a note so active one. Maybe they're anxious about it, or still learning, or prioritize their own needs above others (which isn't something that should be inherently shamed)

I don't thank every comment reply I get, am I a shitty user, or did I just make a decision where and when to spend my energy?

It's not the sort of user I would actively engage in conversation with, sure, but it's far from a shitty one

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Prioritizing your own needs above all others should be shamed. To quote George Costanza, we live in a society. Being selfish isn’t a good thing.

Literally only taking and never giving by his own admission isn’t something that should be supported.

I didn’t say thank every comment - I said literally say thanks to the one that provided the correct answer, and maybe even an indication that it was the correct answer. Is every other user supposed to try every suggestion in a thread because OP was too lazy to say “thanks, that was it”?

Posting a thread then not engaging in that thread is pretty weird behavior.

Would I shadow ban him? No. But I could also see why someone might mistake that for a spam bot.

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay so you took a basic statement I made and turned it into a black and white extreme. Prioritizing your NEEDS above others is crucial because if you don't attend to your needs, you can't be sure anyone else will. You also can't effectively attend to the needs of others without first attending to yours.

I never said that you should act in a way that infringes on others' needs or boundaries, but your needs are not their responsibility and their needs are not yours. Anything beyond that is the application of empathy and connection, which is important, but not something to be shamed when there is a lack of it.

In a survival situation, you cannot reasonably expect people to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. That's just not a viable expectation. There is a grey area here in which some degree of self prioritization is necessary. Society is not a hive mind and I'm not saying "it's all about me, fuck everyone else" but you're also not responsible for how they feel or act. Personal accountability as well as caring for yourself.

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Reddit or lemmy is not a survival situation. Prioritizing your own needs to the exclusion of all else is selfish.

OP self declared that he never prioritizes anyone else.

You’re inferring gray where none seems to exist.

We live in a society, other people’s needs should be your needs when you’re able to easily help or provide. It costs virtually nothing to contribute back.

If everyone acted like OP, no one would get questions answered or receive help here or on Reddit.

People without empathy surely should learn some, and shame is what society uses broadly to enforce positive (and sometimes negative…) behaviors.

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're inferring grey where none seems to exist

There's always some level of grey in every situation

If everyone acted like OP

That's the point, they don't. No one expects this to be a behavioural standard, but shaming behaviours without understand the underlying cause of them will never change the behaviour.

People without empathy should learn some

It's rarely anything close to that easy

I'm tapping out of this conversation. Our viewpoints are too drastically different here to have any sort of productive interaction

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OP self declared that he never prioritizes anyone else.

Wtf? No I did not.

People without empathy

Jesus christ Steve, you need help. I pity anyone who starts making such brazen accusations and likens a person avoiding the very kind of drama that you are insisting on dragging people into, as thought it would be some lack of empathy.

If you want to argue about being a good example in a society, how about not behaving like the perfect example of the dick you're being right now? Might want to start there mate!

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're overly hostile and anti-social. I guess we have the Reddit hivemind to thank for that kind of behaviour. Who cares if I thanked every person who answered? Do you wave to every single person who slows down when you try to cross the road? I try to, but no one is perfect. Is this menial topic the kind of hill you want to fight or die on?

Here's a great meme to describe the kind unwarranted hostility users like you exhibit.

I really hope you re-think how you engage with people here, otherwise you're just going to find yourself constantly in arguments and getting shit on.

[–] Timwi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genuine question: Does that deserve a shadow ban though?

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, that’s a fair point, it doesn’t. But my usual view is that there’s always more to the story, and when they’re suggesting what they’re doing is totally fine but sounds kinda shitty, the things they aren’t telling us that they know are shitty are going to be really shitty.

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The old Reddit "Nah OP can't just be a normal dude, gotta find some way to peg this guy as an asshole because he didn't eat eat enough of the userbase ass in his OP. If I can't think of something I'll just imply that he left out some crucial piece of evidence that would expose him as asshole."

You seriously need to go back to Reddit. This site really is better off without you. The kind of attitude you carry would have you fit right in with the trolls on 4chan.

EDIT: Thanks to you I just looked to see if it's possible to block someone here and thankfully it is. I won't speak for everyone else but I can do without this kind of toxic self-righteous crap. Bye felicia.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You got really defensive and fairly hostile. It really does not help your case.

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation when its replying to people insistent on intentionally pegging my posts the wrong way and I'm not here to pander to you or anyone else.

[–] Bradamir@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Weird take. Maybe you should stick to Reddit with lame comments like that.

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You sound like a shitty user

Actually you do. It's not your business how some people use the internet mate. The threads I asked for help or advice, I left up so plenty of other people could find them and make use of them. I'd understand the flack if say, I deleted the threads immediately after I got my answer.

Most of them were discussion about networking and hardware. Extremely high level stuff for work. Plenty of clients have benefited massively from the work I do. Don't under estimate the importance and positive impact of asking a good question. Finally, it's not like I forced anyone to answer me. If people want to spend their time helping others, for karma or just out of boredom or whatever. That's up to them. Trying to police other people's behaviour just makes you look like a prick. Not me.

Honestly dude, you need to take that chip off your shoulder. It's your kind of instantaneously anti-social attitude that is one of the reasons why Reddit went totally down the drain mate. I came here to get away from attitude like yours. I think most of us did too.

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lol. Thanks for actually participating in this thread.

But taking help from a community and presumably getting paid for it by your clients and never giving back does in fact make you look like a prick, mate.

[–] roterkern70@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Shame on you for not thanking to the person who answered..

[–] SQL_InjectMe@partizle.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do you need to ask for help so much? I was on reddit for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of karma, gilded etc, and only posted for help once.

[–] quitenormal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Such people obviously need help.

[–] reddit_sucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the questions I asked were pretty specific questions regarding network architecture, object orientated programming and so on. Most of the subreddits I posted in were also pretty obscure, so not the general /r/python or so on. There was about 50 or so of us mostly using the subreddit as a way to bounce ideas off each other. With not much time for idle/pointless chatter. Occasionally a few people would wander in and derail the topic but we'd usually ignore them.

I also use public Slack and the occasional Discord but it was nice to use Reddit for the most longer architecture styled posts.

I cannot fathom why anyone would use the site for 10 years and mass over 100k karma for literally any reason.

[–] SQL_InjectMe@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean using the site was entertaining and I would leave comments? If you leave comments then people upvote it. It’s that simple. If you get a comment with 20k upvotes every year then that adds up to 200k. Due to the upvote algorithm I think there’s kinda an exponential curve past 10k but you get my point.

[–] delfinom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

reddit uses aggressive browser fingerprinting to track your alt accounts and ban. They also use some heuristics on top of that to determine similar individuals.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm still not familiar with what a shadowban is, but I had a ban I had gotten from r/entertainment at one point because I said I thought something that Lizzo had worn looked "trashy". That account was banned from r/entertainment. I was on another account scrolling through r/all and went to go comment on another random r/entertainment post and got a message about that account being tied to the banned account (I'm guess through IP or something). I've had other bans on different accounts with other subreddits, but never saw anything like that. Is that a shadowban?

[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Shadow Bans are bans that are not announced or visible to the end user. None of the content they post is visible to other users on the site. So to the banned user, everything seems normal except they get not engagement with their posts.

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