Me, a nazi? Preposterous, no nazi would idolize ancient warlords or cultural works from Japan.
this post was submitted on 31 Dec 2023
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I remember reading a story where a solid boot-neo-Nazi idolised Zulu warriors, then finding out that idolising Zulu warriors was an OG Nazi thing
The implication that there is or has ever been a monolithic "white culture" is idiotic. It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity. That is to say both the Klan and extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of "whiteness".
This concept itself is racist because it assumes Ashkenazi Jewish, Nordic, Russian, and Irish cultures are identical in some way, when they obviously aren't. "The shared amount of relative pigmentation in skin" doesn't culturally unite people, nor does it account for their shared values and traditions, or lack thereof.
I understand how "white" become the word for a sort of assumed racial default, but it's really annoying to have to play this weird motte-and-bailey when people don't understand or pretend not to understand that whiteness is not about skin pigmentation and never was. Wanna check my skin on a Pantone chart againts Hitler's and then guess which one of us he thought was merely an "honorary aryan"?
I wish we had a better word for it.
"Italian" was excluded from "white" in the US in living memory
extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of “whiteness”.
What do you mean by this? Speaking for myself, what I've read on the left with respect to "whiteness" has been largely critical of the concept, e.g. that it exists by its function to other and marginalize those deemed non-white. Who are you talking about on the left that affirms a non-reductive concept of whiteness? Because it sounds like you're both-sides-ing out of ignorance.
It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity
just wait til they whip out their horseshoe-shaped chart. then you’ll understand that one mastodon ancom is exactly equal to one nazi skinhead in terms of both falsehood and depravity
@mctoasterson @dgerard and it doesn’t even acknowledge the changing boundaries of “white”. The Irish weren’t white in America for decades. Jews weren’t white until post-wwii when “polite antisemitism “ became tainted and had to be discarded in the face of the civil rights movement.
She’s 35 and her sum total understanding of culture and race has lead to this. I think she has been effectively a Nazi from way back.
you'd think she was some sort of trust fund baby artist white woman
OTOH, she also has said things like that she’s a socialist but believes in free markets rather than government intervention, so it’s probably fair to say that she’s not the sharpest egg in the attic
she’s a lying fascist. “nah I’m actually the socialists and here’s what real socialism looks like” is one of the oldest moves in the fascist playbook. she’s very bad at it, but it still did its job and convinced a lot of folks who don’t know any better that she was the leftist who would fix musk by giving him dmt or whatever
Haha did one of us update this? I am on mobile and can’t be bothered checking the edit logs
There’s a lot of stupidity to unpack in that first tweet.
- “I’m called a Nazi” honestly first I’m hearing of it, so to me this is self identification
- “White culture” I imagine grimes here is saying “anything that someone who would at first glance look like a modern white person has done in all of history”
- “Brown king Cyrus the Great” I’m not racist because one of the historical figures i think about every day is brown!
- “who invented the first empire” ah yeah he MacGuyver’d one together with pure brown ingenuity, sticktoitiveness, and a plastic straw
- “Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu[‘s] … first novel ever” tangent: perhaps this is just my own brand of degeneracy on display here: grimes is referring to “The Tale of Genji”, which I mainly know about because some of the core relationships in the book revolve around adults grooming their wards into spouses (it was a different time), which has popped up nowadays in the discourse of some fiction coming out of Japan (see Usagi Drop). So I’m tempted to project onto grimes a veneration for grooming, which kinda tracks, but it’s a stretch.
- “What if humans just loved each other?” You’re like 3 years late to former IDF member Gal Gadot’s imagine video
Gotta love the way that TESCREALnts write and how they have a tendency to generate fractally stupid things like this. There’s so much more you could say. Basically, if I could say “that’s not how any of this works” to Grimes, I would.
white culture
personality like lutefisk
Ridiculous takes from children on the internet throwing a tantrum aside nobody I've ever known has been accused of being a Nazi.
Which is not to say I've only known good people; rather that you can behave in some pretty odious ways and people still distinguish between racist shitbag and Nazi.
So umm what the fuck are people that complain about being called Nazi's admitting to? If they're actually being called out it's sure as shit not because they like cathedrals and soccer or whatever.
I'm just assuming it was in fact just a ridiculous take from a child throwing a tantrum because it makes the whole "I'm not a nazi, BUT…" bit that much more unprompted and funnier.
Like I know famous people get all kinds of bizarre shit on the internet but if some rando DM'd to call me a nazi I would simply choose not to let the public know I actually just love white culture.
That would be pretty hilarious. someone's like "hey Billy, check out this prank: @Grimes you're a Nazi" and she reads it and involuntarily starts shouting "Arbeit Macht Frei"
No empire was ever born before 600 BCE (no no, the egyptians don't count), and no clear works of fiction, intended mostly to be dessiminated thorugh text ever existed before the 11th Century (You can dismiss anything prior as mere works of philosophy, poetry or mythology)
It is sad both, our lack of good high quality LW-space sneers so we are falling back on sneering at Musk-space sneers, and the fact that for all her proto-white nationalist white exceptional racism she cannot even pick the common LW type ones, makes me wonder if she just has never heard of HBD yet, or didn't get it. Also makes me wonder if she is aware of the white nationalist trick people like Jared Taylor like to pull. Talks a lot about white culture, and only scarcely mention that he thinks white culture is a product of genetics. I also will not call her a nazi, as I think the tragic time of the nazis is over, and we are now in the farce era of the neo-nazis. ;). (Also I can be a bit pedantic and not sure this is enough yet, but sadly I often am proven wrong about these kinds of things).
Reminds me of how Musk has read/heard about some of the AGI LW stuff but just simply doesn't seem to get the complex parts of it, so he starts to say making AGI not kill humanity is easy just program it to have soft hands and not kill everybody.
oh I've found many fine sneers right there on LW, but I think this one is good enough for sheer prominence.
i would not assume Grimes was aware of things or had what could meaningfully be called political opinions
Yeah, I didn't mean it as a bad sneer, I meant it more like how incredibly bad Musk/Grimes etc are at the basics of all this. LW stuff needs you to read and dig, and they just go 'well im a socialist, I just don't believe workers should have any power'. (does explain why the lowest common denom cryptocoin scammers target musk fans).
Talk a lot about white culture, and only scarcely mention that he thinks white culture is a product of genetics.
I remember in the early days of the "culture wars" as far as political agendas going, hearing about "white/ethno-european pride," and being naively curious, I actually tried to engage these people on the topics of European culture and history, and found exactly zero engagement on these topics. Just politics abusing people's confusion of heritage with people's internal shame and lack of identity.
The paradox I've always found is that the more secure in your identity and heritage you are, the more happy you are to share, grow, and widen that. Maybe a hot take, but growing up in the south, alot of people there hide their personal internal shame and confusion in aggression and identity politics.
There was the white nationalist guy who when asked about which white culture should be saved just said 'metallica' which always struck me as typical.
how dare people call me, grimes, a nazi? they’ll be eating their words when they see me post the exact same racist justifications in the same tone as a chan fascist trying to trick teenagers
it’s intensely obvious that grimes has always been fascist trash. I’m hoping she becomes a prime example of what a fascist looks like when they’re lying about being a leftist to manipulate their audience, but unfortunately the most common take I’ve seen is that musk somehow corrupted her into sounding like someone who’s spent decades absorbing and agreeing with the worst people on the internet? so I’m not betting that folks will get better at spotting this type of shit early
It's strange that someone can sound so much like they spent their late 20s binging Carl Benjamin videos yet be unaware of empires predating the Persian one.