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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (16 children)

I have to admit I'm a little nervous asking this. But how can one read more truthfully about what happened in Soviet Union with regards to gulags with forced labor and purges or executions of innocent people? I say 'innocent' because I know reactionaries got 'caught up' in that and, frankly, I don't care. But it's hard to know how far that went and how it impacted innocent people, as many people have said that it did and Khrushchev mentioned in his (in)famous speech.

For the record, I don't think Stalin was total evil Communist bad guy and that the 'wrong enemy' was defeated in WW2 and other crypto-fascist interpretations. I'm not saying that because some innocent people were killed under Stalin that therefore Stalin is evil, the same critique can be laid against the US (the suffering of innocents in its own prison system, for example) and it is more than likely far more guilty. I also don't really think Holodomor was an 'intentional genocide' or whatever, I know that is overblown by fascists. And I know lots of good happened in Soviet Union for common people but I also see it as a flawed system (only natural given its context in the world, no hate there) with a flawed leader (also natural given human beings) but how can Leftists better understand what happened with regards to the use of violent repression by the USSR? Or how is it reconciled, for lack of a better word, with Stalin as a leader to still uphold?

Among anarchists it's easy to just dismiss, and sometimes there is truth in the critiques, but I'm trying to also grow politically after many years so understanding what happened to dissidents and non-reactionaries is important to me in my understanding of how to view Stalin, in particular. When I was a kid I had a flag of the USSR in my room, then I found myself in anarchist spaces and highly critical of USSR, now I'm older and less idealistic and I know things are messy and it's honestly a miracle that Communism even had the chance it did with USSR despite flaws so I'm trying to understand it and honor it better.

I don't know if that was a clear question, sorry, kinda not doing great right now so I'm having a hard time formulating this while also assuring that I'm not a raging ultra (not anymore anyway) nor lib about it but would love to hear about this.

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

why's my hog so fat

i have a theory it may have eaten all of the grain

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[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

I have a question that I hope some of you will entertain. This is not meant as a criticism, but rather a sincere curiosity on my part. While there are numerous examples of how things can or could function in socialist societies, I am curious about anarchist societies. There appear to be various instances where there is no common answer, even within anarchist circles (as far as I know). Please note that I am not an anarchist (yet), so I would love to be enlightened.

How does healthcare look under anarchism, especially on an industrial large scale? How do you decide what gets build like lets say you need more energy how do you take care of that.I understand that this might seem like an abstract question, but when looking at socialist societies, there are examples of how things 'could' be done. However, I have no idea how things like that might look in an anarchist commune of California, for example.

Are there any reading materials on concrete ways how anarchist societies could function in modern times? I am aware that we have anarchist comrades, and I would love to learn more about it. Basically I think Anarchism sounds really cool but I have a hard time wrapping my head about how a functioning anarchist society would/could look and operate. Like are there books about bureaucracy under Anarchism ?

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you ok with fiction? Ursula K LeGuin’s The Dispossessed is a fictional account of an anarchist society. It’s also a very very good book as I know more than one person who is neither an anarchist nor a communist and they loved it, since LeGuin is such a gifted writer.

[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If its good I dont care if its fiction. Thanks for the recommendation. I know of LeGuin didnt know the book featured anarchism.

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[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

As for bureaucracy under anarchism, that's a contentious topic.

For anarcho-communists, it's probably going to be very similar to the examples that a communist will give you.

For syndicalists, the level of organisation or coordination would occur between "workplaces" (I can't use the term factory here for obvious reasons and "unions" can blur some lines that are less than ideal because a syndicalist understanding of their ideal system is not a "unions sitting on top of the political economy/unions sitting at the side" sort of deal like we see today.) There should be larger all-sector unions which represent each industry in a syndicalist society that would coordinate and collaborate with other all-sector unions, so let's say that there's new medical technology which is being implemented in hospitals but it places significant demand on electricity or telecommunications - the all-sector healthcare union would need to communicate this increased demand with the all-sector energy union or all-sector telecommunications union to coordinate building more infrastructure or increasing energy production etc.

For anarcho-primitivists - it's basically going to be tribal. As for healthcare, guess I'll die 🤷

This gets contentious because it's not really considered to be orthodox anarchism but some of the more comprehensive theory on anarchist/anarchist-adjacent bureaucracy is found in Murray Bookchin's Libertarian Municipalism and, by extension, Abdullah Ocalan's Democratic Confederalism (which is what the YPJ and PKK are striving to achieve in Rojava in Syria currently.)

I think the reason why you can ask 10 anarchists what bureaucracy will look like under anarchism and you'll get 11 answers is because in terms of ideology, anarchism is very heterogeneous.

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago
[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where can I learn about China's recent economic history? I'm particularly interested in Deng Xiaoping's reforms and how they managed to resist being exploited like Africa is being right now despite opening up its markets.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This explains everything, I would argue. Just go to the two videos explaining SwCC and Deng Xiaoping.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsCaI-gsA29xVYzFI-kYWLcx2QhowNBCL

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We'll plant seeds in fertile fields comrade......and yes I could've worded that better, but I just got off work and have a light buzz going

Chaucer's Mead, the drink of gods

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago
[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

How does a socialist system regulate the distribution of goods that cant be distributed, like lakefront housing. There's only so much room for it and more people want it than could have it

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[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (24 children)

What's the difference between communism and anarchism? It seems like the end goals are similar.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

Most anarchists are communist. Communism is an end goal, anarchism and marxism/MLism/maoism/whatever are differences in strategy to reach that goal.

[–] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Anarchism is idealist, starting with an abstract principle of anti-hierarchicalism and individualism. It can be, but is not necessarily communist. Anarchists typically desire communism (a stateless and classless society) as an end state, but don't have a clear plan to get there, sense most are against all states for some reason. Scientific socialism or Marxism doesn't start from abstract ideals, it studies the material world using a dialectical understanding to come to its conclusions. It recognizes that states are not abstract oppressive entities. States are monopolies on violence legitimizing and protecting class rule. Historically the ruling class has been the exploiting class. Socialists aim to smash the current state, and make the working class the ruling class, in order to lift up the oppressed and subjugate the oppressors. When class distinctions cease the state will "wither away." Anarchists may use the Marxist method of analysis. Let me know if you have any more questions.

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