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I am in a safe Labour seat but I'll be voting Green. Labour lost my vote when they continued drifting to the right.
At the end of the day they need to win the election.
At this point I’d 100% take a shitty labour government that’s compromising, because it’s the first step to moving things back to the left.
If we had a better voting system then go for it, but I just think it’s silly for someone to waste a vote (if they aren’t in a safe seat).
because it’s the first step to moving things back to the left
How? If labour get in while acting like tories, what exactly is encouraging them to move back left?
Funnily enoguh I'm in a Labour safe seat and commented in another post my thiking on the vote:
I was gonna vote Green but they’re so non-existant in my constituency I may vote Lib Dem who are 4th. It’s a Labour safe seat so it’s not handing it to the Tories to vote my conscience. I’m Green economically but Lib Dem socially. Since Lib Dems are higher I’ll put my vote there.
If you're in a safe seat then by all means.
But I'll say to everyone here the same thing I say to Americans. Yous need to be pushing hard for a better electoral system. First past the post shouldn't qualify as democracy, in my opinion. It's just that bad. IRV is the bare minimum that should be acceptable. But ideally, you should push for some sort of proportional system like STV or MMP.
Electoral reform should be every intelligent voter's highest priority, because without it you'll always be stuck with the same two parties doing the same dull shit.
Shame neither party are actually offering electoral reform (and why would they - the current form works perfectly well, for them)
With the right pressure, I think Labour might be convinced. The Conservatives only got a majority at the last election because of FPTP. The two elections before that were even worse for the Conservatives' overall vote.
This is especially true if Labour is only able to govern in coalition with LibDems and SNP.
@DessertStorms @GreyShuck @Fudoshin @Zagorath
That's why I'm hoping that no party wins overall majority. PR is the only way things will change.
Then those that don’t turnout can’t complain after the fact. “Sure, keep destroying my country!”
Tactical vote, stop the Tories!
Check this site or risk splitting the left vote and letting the right wing in.
Doesn't matter get out and vote. Don't know if this article is part of it, but the powers that be want you to feel like there is no reason to go out and vote. There is every reason to get out and vote. Go vote. Do it. Kick the bastards out. I fucking hate starmer but anything is better than the conservatives. Move the Overton window further left. Vote. Vote. Vote.
That's how you get stuck with shitty RW government. That said, Starmer IS dull and politically milquetoast
we don't need another rock star PM like Jonson.
I was referring more to his political timidity than his lack of charisma
I find it frustrating, too, but after we lost the by-election in Johnson's seat over the obviously good but controversial policy of the Ulez, I can totally understand the timidity. We literally lost an election as 'punishment' for a policy that made the air cleaner and raised money! It's completely ridiculous, but that's the world we live in.
why make too many proposals now. don't give your enemies something to pin on you.
If they get a good majority I firmly believe it will be for the better. they can implement things that will change the UK for the better.
13 years of austerity have destroyed the country.
once things are a bit better than we can put the Tories back in to sell off the progress to their mates again.
once things are a bit better than we can put the Tories back in to sell off the progress to their mates again.
UK politics in a nutshell! Maybe one day we'll break the cycle.
Agree that Labour will make things better. Got my hopes up for better employment law, planning reform (=more houses) and green investment. If we do get a bit of growth, we should see some health and education improvements, too.
It isn't that they're "dull", it's that they offer the exact same bullshit and serve the same overlords, rather than the public.
This is deliberate of course, and trying to frame it as somehow the public's fault and not the systems' is gross propaganda.
Either way - we are not the US, and we do have the ability to vote "none" in protest.
DO.
vote against the conservatives. Why on earth would you want to risk another 4 years of this?
don't give in to apathy. the older conservative voters won't. it's always like this before an election. a concerted effort to increase apathy.
What a fantastic election… You’d struggle to get a rizla between the gaps in their policy positions and both parties are supporting genocide in Gaza. Which means in this election your choice is: you get to pick the colour of tie of the guy who uses your taxes to support the massacre of civilians. Red or blue.
Great. Democracy in action. What an opportunity to steer the nation. I’m so motivated to go vote.
Well, if there's low turnout from the Tories, sounds like suddenly everyone else's vote matters more.
Be sure to still vote, and make sure your friends and (maybe) family do to. I mean, if your friends and family were pro-Brexit, and somehow still are/would vote for it again, maybe just leave them be; sounds like a lost cause politically.
I think Curtice underestimates how much people want the Tories out, to be honest. I think we'll see high levels of tactical voting among people who want the Tories out, which is nearly everyone, and that will drive higher turnout.
EDIT: Just saw this, lot of it about in this thread:
“If Starmer wants to win a general election, then he’s going to have to compromise and do things that I might not like to appeal to a broader cross-section of voters. Now, that might lead to improvements in the lives of the majority of people and remove the worst government in living memory, but is that worth me having to put up with him not doing everything that I specifically want him [sic] from a Labour government? Not really.”
This is good. One of the reasons we get such shit governments is all the people just voting for the celebrity leader not thinking about the actual policy. If those people can't be bothered to turn out then we might get more of a percentage of votes coming from people that actually know what they are voting for.
Which is why voting should be compulsory. Even if you only write 'Shove it' on the ballot paper.