I think each country has to decide for themselves what they're going to do about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Especially those countries who have been on the receiving end of US unilateralism as described in the article.

Despite all the past offenses of the US and the west, in this instance I think the west is acting as a force for good. Ukraine was invaded by Russia under false pretenses of "denazification" . The Ukrainians are asking for help to resist an invader. We should help them.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this conflict does is prolong the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons. The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.

[–] obsolete29@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah sure. The only ethical thing to do is to give Putin everything he wants so he doesn't kill more Ukrainians. Got it.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please explain to me your galaxy brain logic of why killing more Ukrainians to achieve the same result is desirable. You're not personally affected by any of this, so it's easy for you to advocate ruining lives of countless other people to spite Putin.

If you feel so strongly about this then why don't you pick up a gun and go to Ukraine yourself, if you're not willing to do that then kindly shut the fuck up.

[–] obsolete29@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it's pretty easy logic to follow, and if you were anything other than a partisan troll, arguing in bad faith, you could easily follow.

The Ukrainians are asking for help. We should help them. That it's. That's the logic.

[–] odium@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh yes, appeasement. Such a great plan. Next they invade Poland and you can just give them that as well to make sure that they don't suffer. We can just go through a list of countries and give them one a year, no suffering.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it

[–] isleofmist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Countless dead Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Syria....

Many in Cuba impoverished by an unjust embargo..

Do we need more examples? The West is extremely hypocritical.

[–] uno_yakshi@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn't make the war with Ukraine any better.

[–] angarabebesi@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because the West is hypocritical and selfish. You can't seriously expect the world to support you against Russia when you just spent 20 years on a murder spree in the Middle East.

[–] VictimOfReligion@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What it's really baffling is actually how the majority of westerners aren't seeing this NATO/US - Russia with the same scope as the non-western countries, since this time is as obvious as the "Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing in 2003.

Guys, I know indoctrination is a hell of a drug, but damn, this has reached cult levels already.