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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago (42 children)

Without a Palestinian state and a multi-national presence to enforce it there will never be peace. The motive for attacks will remain.

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[–] maness300@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (70 children)

Imagine how much better the world would be if Jews migrated to the US instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.

Zionism is a plague that is responsible for untold damage.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean that kind of happened already. There's a reason why the United States has the second highest Jewish population in the world, less only than Israel and not by much. Rampant anti semitisim in Europe among other reasons drove many to emigrate to the US. Between 1880 and 1914 alone, 2 million Ashkenazi Jewish people immigrated to the United States to escape ethnic cleansing pogroms in Eastern Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Israel doesn't give a shit. They were only interested in normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia to keep them away and deal with them later. Now that they've ripped their masks off and kicked the ethnic cleansing process into high gear, there's no point in normalizing relations. If Saudi Arabia has a problem with it, they'll be "regime changed". We've hit a point of no return.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If the west was going to regime change Saudi Arabia they would have done it after 9/11, which was planned financed and perpetrated by Saudis. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq instead, two enemies of Saudi Arabia that had nothing to do with it. Israeli and Saudi dick are equally down America's throat and I honestly don't know which one NATO would side with.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (11 children)

To change the saudi "regime" you have to change the society itself because it is a tribal society. It will take at least one or two more generation to create any fundamental change in the kingdom.

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[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's terrible that they're the ones on the right side of history on this. It shows how low the US is willing to go to protect its ME interests. Literally morally lower than Saudi.

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[–] bilb@lem.monster 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's kinda unusual for Saudi Arabia to stick up for Palestinians, isn't it? Am I wrong about that?

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

SA has been working on a two-state solution for a while now, that was what Kushner was supposed to be working on during the Trump administration when he wound up getting a loan of $5 billion from the Saudis, however Qatar is the country where HAMAS leadership are hiding out.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago
[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Who cares? Saudis are a fundamentalist theocracy built on oil money

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Anyone who wants peace in the Near East as there's no way around the Saudis and their influence. They're a diplomatic heavyweight in general: Within the Arab world by tribal whatnot, elsewhere mostly fuelled by oil.

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[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

The Saudis are never on the right side of anything. They do not give a shit about Palestinians and they never did - this just how they attempt to be a thorn in the side of the US.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel has an excellent opportunity to make peace and be the economic engine of growth for the region. But the mullahs in Iran, Hamas, and present day Likud are all made for each other

[–] DeadHorseX@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yup. Israel desperately needs to hold new elections. If necessary, Gantz should threaten to collapse the coalition government if that's what it takes. Israel needs sensible leaders like Benny Gantz, Gadi Eisenkot, Yair Lapid, and Gallant who actually understand that while it's necessary to exterminate Hamas, the only way of ensuring long-term peace and stability in the region is to reach a political solution with a pathway towards Palestinian self-rule.

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that there are some interesting demographic effects at play in Israel - their percentage of heavily religious population has been increasing and is therefore getting more and more political control.

The ultra-orthadox (I think this is the term) Jews are also exempt from military service I believe.

This is/could lead to increased internal instability in the coming years/decades.

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