The surprising part is that someone believed a politician's voice.
this post was submitted on 24 Jan 2024
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I keep saying: none of this will end until we get a clean, cryptographically secure, government-backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time for anything important. Which is why I have conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theories about government ID.
a clean, cryptographically secure, government=backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time
sounds dystopian.
sounds dystopian.
So does the total death of objective fact.
An end to internet anonymity isn't great, but given the alternative I'll take it.
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I already have to send photos of my id or passport for all kinds of services, so it wouldn't really be that different from doing that, just less inconvenient. Like, delivery services ask for a photo of your id.
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The "government backed" part is ostensibly about a government setting up the framework and like, requiring it be used for official documents.
It wouldn't be too hard to stick a private signing key on say, your driver's license / ID / passport, for instance.
It's a complex issue, though, that sits on how much you trust whoever runs the system at some point.
Didn't know where in the tread to reply.
This is being worked on from multiple angles.
In the us apple, Google, Microsoft ++ are working on a common framework for this. (Shocking who are working on this in the us)
The EU has a citizens digital wallet program for the same purpose. These programs are also collaborating so that certificates and proof of personhood/citizenship etc can be exchanged between various actors.
The EU model leans heavily into privacy and user control of data, where you as an individual decides with whom to share your credentials, proof of personhood, etc.
This would lead to many possibilities, like for instance being able to confirm digitally prescriptions for medicine across borders, so you can easily get your medication even if you are traveling in another country, without having to spend time and energy getting signed paperwork send back and forth.
The most simple form of this would be that the system simply verifies that yes, you are indeed a human individual. But can be expanded to confirm citizenship, allow you to share your medical data with institutions, confirm diplomas and professional certification etc.
How about we find whoever did this and throw them in jail for fraud? You know, deterring crime like the law is supposed to do?
Dunno if this is domestic or not. Would be hard to do anything if it's a foreign attack.
Yeah, we have all the tech already. PKI exists. Just issue a white house certificate and use that to sign official stuff - documents, press releases, videos. They CAN control their narrative if they wanted to. It just takes someone near the top who understands technology.
Wouldn't have stopped the fake phone call, though...
There's already a system for it. But to roll that out to everyone would be an administrative nightmare. And tbf, the system of digital certificates is not exactly "clean." There are always issues.
I agree that it would be great to have that, but it just doesn't seem feasible. Perhaps a different system needs to be created.
The people who fall for shit like this don't know what any of that means or would understand it if you tried to explain it to them
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If people are using these types of tactics to try and make people in one political party not vote, I'd say it's more than fair for the same tactics to be used on the other party.
Is it ethical? Absolutely not.
Do I care? No because if I were to ever get messages/calls telling me not to vote, I'd laugh and vote anyways since I live in an area with mail in ballots.
Be careful, cycle of abuse is a thing. If we normalize this then it wont be long till it gets worse.
A better first step would be to educate people with skepticism so they understand that the president calling personally to ask people not to vote cant be right.
Another idea that could help is incorporating nft blockchain in official verifiable footage,quotes,stances, linked whenever referenced so the unaltered context can easily be sourced and non verifiable footage treated with skepticism.
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Yeah…I mean, if you cloned Trump’s voice? And actually made it interact with the people? You could suppress the fascist vote by about 75%
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Welcome to the age of AAA. Authorization, authentication and auditing. Where every action, whether over the phone, internet, or video chat needs to be verified externally with some kind of AAA system before that action can be verified and performed.
In this case, calling them back on a known phone number to verify their intent, or pushing a code to them over text or a third party authorization system (like duo or something) is required before action is taken.
IT and security folks have been preparing for this shit since before AI deepfakes were a thing. The general public, thus far, has not appreciated the extra security we have been requiring and at many levels, they've actively and even publically spoken out against it, or outright refused to participate.
You are vulnerable.
tl;dr
someone cloned Joe Biden's voice to help suppress voting in the New Hampshire primary.
Basically it was AI Biden telling supporters to not go to the polls. No one knows who did it.
If only the government had ways to track down a phone call
Yes who could possibly be behind this? Hmmm
I mean I'm not sure if it's Russians or Russian puppets.
Yeah that's fucked up and all... But I'm so curious as to who is stupid enough to believe that Joe Biden would ever call voters to tell them NOT to vote. Why wouldn't you be immediately skeptical?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I mean billions of people believe in magic sky man, another few billion believe in magic sky man’s father, and the last couple billion believe in magic sky man’s brother
…and are all convinced their magic sky man is real and the others aren’t, so…
Oh it gets even worse than that... When I read about this on Monday they were saying that the call advised people to "save" their votes and use them when they really mattered in November. Now who the hell is stupid enough to believe that you can't vote in the general election if you also voted in the primary?
No one knows who did it.
Why would you not be able to trace calls. That kind of shit became impossible here in the what 90s when all the telephone exchanges were digitalised.
No one knows who did it.
Five bucks says Jacob Wohl
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I guess we can be thankful that there exists safe guards for launching missiles with regards to codes and all.
Anything on who did this?
The GOP can’t win without cheating.
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