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[–] MadMenace@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I know this is a few days old, but thinking about it again, I'm reminded of this clip I saw from Orange is the New Black. To summarize, the clip is a flashback to explain how Suzanne ("Crazy Eyes") wound up in prison. She's an autistic woman whose sister/caretaker leaves her alone for a weekend, without arranging alternative care, to go on a vacation. She befriends a child, who she seems to connect with easily as they are on a similar mental level, and the kid follows her home to hang out and play video games. After the child says it's time for him to go home, she becomes upset, blocking the front door to prevent him leaving. He attempts to call 911 and she grabs the phone and hangs up, confused, telling him that he should only call 911 for emergencies. Panicked, the child attempts to crawl out a window to escape, accidentally falling to his death.

What would you say is more important here, intention or perception? I think it depends on who you are. For the child's parents, perception matters more. Their child is dead. That Suzanne didn't intend for it to happen is of little consolation. For Suzanne, maybe intention matters the most. For the courts, both matter; she's proven herself unsafe to be around to the public, yet the fact she didn't intend to cause harm is supposed to be taken into account too, perhaps for lighter sentencing. In a better world, she would be given help instead of incarcerated because of her intention, and perhaps her caretaker would be held partially responsible.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The most important things in life always have some element of intent.

Take marriage for example. It’s the most important decision of your life, you’re choosing who would amount as a co-proxy with you. Are you really going to let perception have power over validation? Imagine living in a culture that doesn’t allow interracial marriage and you’re discovered to be living with someone of another race. Would you accept society’s rejection of the notion you enjoy their company?

Take last wills and testaments as another example. Imagine dying, giving your last commands while on your deathbed, and some kid in the family is like “I’m going to run this by the whole neighborhood”.

Or I’ll put it another way: if perception is good, there wouldn’t be so many people here who say they dislike/denounce Wikipedia in arguments like this since Wikipedia is built on unspecific mass perception.

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[–] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Intention ain't shit. Deontology is bankrupt.

Only actions count. Results, if you can get them, but the future is always uncertain.

Neither can you control what people think of you. You only have control over your own decisions.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're not answering the question. Actions have intentions, and they are also perceived a certain way by others.

"You only have control over your own decisions"

So intention is more important? Your decisions result in an intention for a certain action.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

My answer is that neither intention nor perception are the most important. Intention, after all, is just your personal, internal perception. Only the actual action matters; not how it is perceived, not how one meant it to be perceived.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without some context that's kind of difficult to answer.

[–] cubedsteaks 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I often see rhetoric stating that its more important how people perceive what you’re saying, as opposed to how you intended to have it sound.

I wonder how I could edit my question to make this more clear? Where I live this is a common concept. But for other people maybe not. I've done a great job of confusing everyone so far.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Intent isn't magic. We aren't mind readers, so literally the only way to know what you intend is if you literally say it.

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