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Obviously sympathetic to the mothers position here. However, based on my limited understanding of how this stuff works, if content is being viewed on 'the dark web' it likely wouldn't be obvious to internet providers, nor would a kid who's savvy enough to be on the 'the dark web' in the first place be really prevented from finding a work around to any potential block in place.

I'm a parent. This stuff scares the crap out of me, but I'm not sure we can actually legislate this stuff out of existence.

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[–] galmuth@feddit.uk 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Measures like Google Family Link already exist if parents choose to use them.
I don't think legislation restricting what young people can do online would necessarily help. It's illegal for kids to take drugs and drink alcohol yet it still happens. Whatever measures are put in place, there's usually a way around.

[–] Tweak@feddit.uk 9 points 5 months ago

Also, who would be held responsible for the child circumventing the restrictions? You can't hold the child responsible, so that would fall to the parent.

Is she accepting responsibility here for not better protecting her child? No, she's blaming others, and telling other people they should take responsibility.

Not that any of this would have made any difference here. These two murderers were absolutely demented, and keeping them off social media wouldn't have done much to prevent that.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It appears that Google are now investigating it, but only a couple of days ago it was being reported that there was another secret browser in Android which bypassed all parental and system security.

https://matan-h.com/google-has-a-secret-browser-hidden-inside-the-settings/

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

secret browser makes it sound so illicit. This looks like the default webview implementation that is able to be accessed after a series of pretty niche and complicated steps. Something that should be looked at and closed obviously, but this type of language is clickbait 101 and actually unhelpful for the discourse.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Then you should actually read it.

It's not the default webview, and it now has an open issue with Google

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes my friend, it is the default webview. That explains the bare bones look to it, the back button functionality, and the history or lack of. The default webview on android isn't a full fledged browser and isn't meant to be.

and it now has an open issue with Google

This is literally meaningless. You should see the amount of shite users raise on the issue tracker. What you, or the author, should do is link to the issue in question.

I note that the comments on Hacker News also aren't favourable to this.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you okay?

I note that the comments on Hacker News also aren't favourable to this.

Apart from being upvoted by an above average amount, the vast majority of comments talk about adjacent topics such as "I remember similar things with the NT login screen" or "WTF Google, bypassing the device restrictions is a bad thing."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39226754

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

Are you okay?

I'm great thanks. How're you?

[–] Tweak@feddit.uk 6 points 5 months ago

It's not a secret browser, it's the system browser. Most apps do not have a browser to view web pages, they use the system one (eg to display terms and conditions pages). The exploit here involved someone accessing such a page and sidestepping into another, because the page had links away, allowing a Google search or something and avoiding restrictions that were only applied to the main browser app.

This is more of a failure in parental control features not being fully comprehensive. The story is also much older than a couple days.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's such an obscure vulnerability that I highly doubt any significant amount of kids would know about it, if any.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

Err, as soon as a way to bypass parental settings is found it will be shared far and wide with those who would be impacted by it.

[–] Bassman27@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I find it a bit weird how she only want to speak to the mother of the girl involved not the mothers of both kids.

[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

Could be because the other kid was transphobic and she doesn't imagine that a dialogue with his parents would be particularly helpful.

[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If your kid has already figured out how to access dark web sites then you got much bigger problems than the murder smut on those pages, you need to worry about all the physical shit getting mailed to your kid, that's going to get you in a lot more trouble...

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Esther Ghey told Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg she wanted the mother of Scarlett Jenkinson to know she did not blame her for what happened.

"I also want her to know that - I understand how difficult being a parent is, in this current day and age, with technology and phones and the internet, and how hard it is to actually monitor what your child is on," she said.

Jenkinson, who killed Brianna, had watched videos of violence and torture on the dark web.

Ms Ghey, who is launching a petition to demand the changes, also wants companies to flag searches of inappropriate material, like the videos Jenkinson saw, to parents.

Ms Ghey also said that she had struggled to monitor what Brianna was consuming online - and that she had accessed pro-anorexia and self-harm material.

She told the BBC it was very powerful watching Mark Zuckerberg being confronted by bereaved American parents at a fiery hearing in the US Senate and said "greed needs to be taken out of the picture".


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[–] conorm@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

you see, people who aren't respectable usually end up on the bad side of a criminal activity