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I asked if people chose iPhone for the blue bubbles elsewhere a couple days ago, and while there was some good discourse on that post, the blue bubbles definitely also came up as a reason.

In my experience, when people find out my texts are green, they oftentimes would rather switch to a different platform altogether like Instagram or just not text at all.

Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?

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[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Don't care about bubble colours, tbf I can probably change that with Android... user modification like this is one of the reasons I prefer it.

With iPhone, once you have one Apple device, your entire device ecosystem has to be a part of the same walled garden... or they don't play nice with each other. Also, imo while Apple devices are often good quality, they massively overcharge for it (considering the cost to assemble and produce the hardware).

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[–] DRUMS_@reddthat.com 23 points 1 year ago

This is 100% real for young people. It's sad and stupid. At least they can easily figure out who will be a crappy friend.

[–] peterg75@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In US it's stupid trench warfare of blue vs green message. As an Android user I have had to explain MULTIPLE TIMES that this is not about Android's lack of capabilities but rather the unwillingness of Apple to use RSC. Almost always my explanation falls on deaf ears.

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[–] ChatGPT@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It’s not a dealbreaker for me but I try to push everyone I can to Signal anyway more secure and private than iMessage.

[–] stanford@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

In my experience, no, especially outside of the US.

In many places/countries, there are more android than iphone users. This is especially true in developing countries, but also some developed ones too. It's not uncommon for everyone in these areas to use alternative messaging platform like whatsapp, telegram, or line, so there was barely any difference between android and iphone.

So it's barely a deal-breaker, at least, in this scenario.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Green texts are the worst mostly because (I’m convinced) apple has programmed Messages to intentionally lose them to make group texts with android users a nightmare to deal with, in an attempt at social pressure on android users to get an iPhone.

They are wildly inconsistent in their delivery success. Often times texts will either never go through to some members of the group or go through at random times. Also sent videos are always horribly compressed. Obvious solution would be to use a third party messaging app but but convincing everyone to do that is usually a nonstarter.

What it is though is green texts are just sms messages, which is the original text message protocol that uses cellular infrastructure to deliver the message. Blue texts are sent via the Messages app over the internet so they are likely just more reliable and quick to deliver.

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[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For me, I'm technologically inclined and like to be helpful. As such, I would not date an iphone user as I do not know how to fix their phones, and that would make me feel sad that I couldn't help. Also, as an iphone user, it seems like they'd rather just buy a new stupidly phone than take the time to figure out how their device actually works, and that massively clashes with how I view things.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

Only for idiots.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have the opposite problem... I have family members and friends try to send me pictures and videos from their iPhone's over SMS ALL the time.

They are, like, 40 pixels wide and in the case of video they are literally unwatchable and unidentifiable.

They usually then act put out and irritated with me and the other android users when we need to ask for a link instead. IPhone users can sometimes be such complete idiots... I love these people, but Jesus Christ, guys...

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[–] tobier@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What are blue and green bubbles, wtf?

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[–] art@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The green color that Apple chose for SMS was picked because of how harsh it is on the eyes. They want you to hate talking to non Apple users.

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[–] iNeedScissors67@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

I can make my chat bubbles be whatever color I want. My brother-in-law sometimes gives me lighthearted shit for being the green bubble or whatever in the chat but like, hey man you're the one who put yourself in a walled garden, I don't see it on my end.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I can't stand iOS or any of Apples' faux premium nonsense. Everything is clunky and unintuitive to me and I just want something that works without having to jump through hoops all the time. Android isn't perfect but it's a lot more functional

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[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Maybe it's a US vs Europe thing but as a European, most messaging (for better or worse, probably worse since it's Meta) is done via whatsapp, where messages appear the same for iPhone and Android users, if somebody messages me through SMS I'd probably think it was a scam or they're really old, no-one I know uses SMS anymore.

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[–] Fubar91@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's only a deal breaker for children and those who have the mental development of a child. It's basically two children on the playground arguing that their personal favorite colour is better just because.

It logically and practically does not matter at all what colour a fucking text bubble is.

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[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never got Apple brand loyalty, even with how convenient their "ecosystem" is.

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[–] Galaxyboy_3598@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is mainly an issue in the United States and Canada.

[–] McBinary@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Right. Android is still 70%+ of the world market.

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[–] pascal@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

It's actually the opposite for me. I don't mind a fancy iphone, but that OS is so locked down I have to run the "same" apps on android to use them effectively for my work.

[–] fugepe@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Pika@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's not a strict deal breaker for me, I use an Android myself. But I will definitely preach to people the differences between Apple and Android, because in the US there is a vast divide and for some reason they think that it's a status symbol to have an Apple device, and they will boast like it's some great thing. It's super fun to pull up the hardware specs and show them that my phone Beats there new iPhone in almost every category. Then I end it with saying that both systems have ups and down, apples biggest Pro is going to be their interface, but if you are a techie or want actual control over the phone itself stick with Android. Most of the "incompatibilities" between the two systems, are Apple generated, meaning that they've gone out of the way in some way to actively forbid it. Bluetooth is a perfect example of this, Apple devices support it for audio transfer and Airdrop uses Bluetooth for its transfer medium, but you can't transfer files strictly over Bluetooth because the functionality has been intentionally removed to allow the walled garden state.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?

I think this is one of the most ridiculous, cringe-worthy things I have read in a long ass time.

I also have to say that I have no idea how anyone puts up with iphones. I have both and the iphone experience from a UI perspective is just awful. Yeah, the screen is nice, the battery life is good, the camera is excellent, but holy crap is this phone infuriating to use. You can get Android phones with just as nice hardware, but then you don't need to deal with that terrible iOS user interface. How is this such a popular device, I will never understand it.

Also, why the FUCK is the iphone so goddamn heavy?! It is smaller than my Samsung and noticeably heavier in my pocket. Just everything about this device is annoying.

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[–] straF@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Texting images between android and ios is fundamentally broken. Images are compressed to potato quality and did mot always make it. When i had android i sent images in messenger and texted in sms to ios folks. Its a lot easier now were all on ios.

So I absolutely understand its simpler to just 100% use a different app.

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[–] alexius@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The OS of people’s phone isn’t relevant at all in my social circles. I don’t even know who’s using what. The whole green bubble stigma is an extremely American thing. Everyone else moved away from the default messages app at least a decade ago. I only get some 2FAs there.

I know for sure that I bought Whatspp in 2010. It was a paid app back them.

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[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

This is more of a US centric problem, in other countries this hasn't been really a problem as everyone is using WhatsApp/Line/Telegram to communicate. More younger people are actually using discord to text with each other. I think this issue will get less relevant as time goes on.

[–] lolola@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of my acquaintances started a fairly large group text thread recently. Somewhere along the way someone said, "Who's the android user in here ruining everything?" I never said anything in the thread, so I felt like I was in the corner of a crowded room wearing a disguise about to be exposed.

I was also pretty annoyed. Like, what's it matter? Texts are for text. Text works fine.

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[–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

blue/green bubbles

Whenever I bring those up as an example of a platform (Apple) intentionally leading their users to blame other users for their failings as a brand-bolstering move, I get a swarm of people assuring me it's a myth.

I know it isn't. I see it in the wild, both irl and online, like in this thread.

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[–] acrobaticpenguin23@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most of the people that I know who have Iphones do for family chat or teens and college age because everyone in their circle does.

But IPhone owners have no call to be looking down on android users.

Some of the greatest apps, PowerAmp and Photo Studio Pro do not have iPhone versions. Also IPhone runs behind Samsung in innovation. I mean IPhone finally added widgets but the functionality on IPhone pales in comparison to Android.

Also can't change defaults in IPhone for launcher, music, dialer, and pretty much everything except, browser, and email.

I could never own an IPhone because they think they know best for users. With Android I have autonomy over my device.

Some areas of this country do not get reliable cell signal that is where an FM tuner can still receive emergency alerts but no not IPhone because they disallow their customer base from having and essentially force their power users to utilize their cloud services because once again they fail to offer expandable storage as an option. Shaping their own market but it essentially is anti consumer.

Despite these things Apple is relatively successful with these business decisions (especially in the US) but Samsung Ultra has eclipsed the IPhone Pro with the 23 version and IOS is still playing catch up with Android.

[–] KrisKao@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the world uses WhatsApp, and it does not matter if you have iPhone or Android. Are you in the USA? I hear it is the only country where people use apple messages so much that it matters.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't care what phone you have, but if you have an iPhone, I will assume you are an idiot by default until proven otherwise.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iMessage is only a big deal in the US and maybe Canada. The rest of the world uses WhatsApp and Telegram mostly.

I use several different apps because my friends and family are a good mix of Android and iPhones. I use Blue Bubbles, WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages, Signal, and Meet for "FaceTime" calls.

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[–] lumberjacked@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a friend who said he was left out of a lot of group chat with his roommates because he was the green bubble. He switched to iPhone and they still were meeting up without him.

That’s when he realized it was him, not the color of his bubble…

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[–] encode8062@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

Just use a service that works on both android and iOS such as Signal.

[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait..when people say the blue bubbles they're talking about text? I thought it was the live wallpaper!

Can apple people not change the color of their text chat bubbles? I changed mine so long ago I don't even know what the default is.

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Just in case you're not joking - the blue bubbles in the iOS Messages app denote that the text was sent via iMessage, vs SMS which show up in green.

iMessages typically send over WiFi rather than cellular (but can do both) and offer extended functionality like read receipts, Tapback replies (think like a thumbs up or laugh), integration with FaceTime, Freeform, and other iOS features.

You tend to notice when people aren't using iMessage around the holidays when mass texts to Android/iOS users include things like, "weariedfae laughed at lando55 laughed at joedonuts surprised at alansmithee's message."

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In my country, nobody uses imessage, just whatsapp.

[–] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

i only use android. if someone disciminate you ofr a stupid bubbles color. wth you do with that person???

[–] zumi@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

iPhone user here. Not a dealbreaker, but I can explain why some people may want to switch platforms. Blue bubble iMessages go out over the Internet--wifi, cell data, whatever. Green bubbles need cell signal and go over the cell network as an SMS, Blue bubbles can go out over cell network (via data), but they also can go out via wifi.

For me this means green bubbles cause a couple issues:

  • Many places I go do not have cell coverage. Sometimes its a dead area because of mountains, sometimes its an office building that is too thick. In both cases, iMessage blue bubbles still work. Green bubbles do not.
  • When I travel internationally I might not purchase an International plan. But you can bet the hotel I am staying at and most bars/restaurants I can go to have wifi. This means I can still communicate without buying a SIM card or purchasing a data plan. FURTHER, even if I did purchase a SIM card, now we are talking international SMS messages which cost a ton.

Now not a dealbreaker. I just move those conversations to Whatapp, Messenger, Line, KakaoTalk, whatever. It's not a big deal. And definitely not a dealbreaker. If it's a dealbreaker for someone that should be a red flag.

I can still be friends with someone even if they did choose the wrong phone ;) /s

[–] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm an android user that's been messaging and calling over the internet using the default messaging and calling apps for years. What you're describing isn't an android limitation, it's a vendor comparability and standards issue. And I've had just as many problems with iphone users breaking my group texts among android using groups. The fact is that sms on iPhone is broken by design, but because you're all broken in the same way you won't see it.

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