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Billionaires now control 1 out of every 25 dollars of American wealth.

Over the past years in the U.S., everyday Americans have been increasingly crushedunder greed-driven inflation and debt, with homelessness hitting record highs. But as this modern affordability crisis has rocked households across the country, billionaire wealth has skyrocketed — and has now hit an all-time high, a new analysis reveals.

As of this month, the U.S.’s 806 billionaires are worth a collective $5.8 trillion, meaning that they control 1 in every 25 dollars of American wealth, according to an Americans for Tax Fairness report released Monday. 

Due in part to the 2017 tax overhaul by Republicans, led by Donald Trump, this small group has seen an explosion of wealth in an extremely short amount of time. 

Since the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, U.S. billionaire wealth has doubled, from an already staggering $2.9 trillion. In 2017, none of the richest Americans were centi-billionaires, meaning that they did not have over $100 billion; now, the top 10 U.S. billionaires are all centi-billionaires, according to the report.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

The typical conservative argument I see is that they "already pay the most in taxes," which may be true in absolute terms, but disguises that they pay less of a portion of their wealth than anyone else.

Call me crazy, but I think the people who benefit most from society should pay more back into it, especially since billionaires get their dragon-horde by exploiting labor.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The article tied to the report is much more informative

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-day-approaches-new-study-finds-u-s-billionaires-now-worth-record-5-8-trillion/
The Tax Cuts Billionaires And Other Wealthy Americans Don’t Need Extended

Below are the parts of the Trump-GOP tax law set to expire at the end of 2025 that exclusively or predominantly benefit the wealthy–including billionaires:

  • A cut in the top income-tax rate from 39.6% to 37%;
  • A doubling of the estate-tax exemption. In 2024, wealthy couples can shield over $27 million from this curb on dynastic wealth. If this provision is allowed to expire, that figure would drop to the still generous but more reasonable figure of around $14 million in 2026.
  • A weakening of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), which is meant to ensure high-income households can’t use excessive deductions and credits to reduce their taxes.
  • The ability of non-corporate businesses to subtract 20% of their earnings before figuring their taxes.

The central component of the Trump law was a two-fifths cut in the corporate tax rate, from 35% to 21%. Corporate tax cuts are almost synonymous with tax cuts for the wealthy, because it’s overwhelmingly rich people–prominently including billionaires–who own corporations through their stock holdings. To make the bill look less costly in order to conform to Congressional budget rules, it also included some tightening of rules on corporate tax deductions.

But implementation of these revenue raisers was delayed for several years with the clear expectation on the part of the Republican tax writers and their corporate backers that they would be revoked before ever coming into effect. Surprisingly, preemptive repeal efforts failed and now the GOP goal is to retroactively quash these sensible restrictions on corporate tax dodging.

The recent effective tax hikes on corporations that Republicans want to reverse are:

  • Slower depreciation. Businesses write off (“depreciate”) over time the cost of durable items that hold their value like buildings and machinery. Bonus depreciation–which businesses enjoyed until 2023–allows them to instead deduct in the year of purchase the full cost of such big-ticket items, artificially lowering their reported earnings and thus their tax bills.
  • Amortizing research costs. Corporate research and experimentation yields benefits that last for years or even decades. So it makes sense for firms to deduct over time (“amortize”) those costs, which they have been required to do since 2022. But big business wants to regain the ability to write off the full cost of research in the year conducted.
  • A smaller deduction for interest. Companies are allowed to deduct interest payments from their taxable income, but the Trump tax law restricted that deduction to 30% of a certain calculation of earnings. Until 2022, the calculation that was used resulted in a larger allowable interest deduction. Since then, firms have had to apply that 30% ceiling to a smaller earnings figure, reducing the dollar value of the deduction.

It's also worth noting that the March '24 Biden budget proposal brings the $400k+ income back up to 39% from Trump's 37.5$ and tackled a number of other loopholes for the wealthy and included several benefits for the middle class. I'm not able to find what was actually in the approved budget though.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/2024-budget-joe-biden-explainer/index.html
Here’s what’s in Biden’s budget proposal

Place a minimum tax on billionaires:

  • The budget includes a 25% minimum tax on all the income of the wealthiest .01% of Americans, including their appreciated assets. It would hit those with a net worth of more than $100 million. Prior efforts to add this type of tax were not successful.

Increase the corporate tax rate:

  • Biden wants to increase the corporate tax rate to 28%, up from the 21% rate set by the GOP tax cut package in 2017. The budget would also reduce incentives for multinational businesses to book profits in low-tax jurisdictions and raise the tax rate on their foreign earnings to 21% from 10.5%. And it would hike the stock buybacks tax enacted last year to 4%, from 1%.

Repealing Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy:

  • Biden’s budget would scrap some tax cuts for certain individuals that were put in place by the Republican’s 2017 tax law.
  • Biden’s plan would raise the top tax rate to 39.6% from 37%. This would impact single filers making more than $400,000 a year and married couples making more than $450,000 per year, according to the administration.
  • It also proposes taxing capital gains at the same rate as wage income for those earning more than $1 million, as well as closing the carried interest loophole that allows investment managers to treat much of their compensation as capital gains – thus lowering their tax rate.
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Our governor: socialism has never worked! That means you must remove all social services. I disband the Postal Service if I could.

Also our governor: if capitalism isn’t working, we just haven’t deregulated enough.

[–] stringere@leminal.space 2 points 7 months ago

Our governor: socialism has never worked! That means you must remove all social services. I disband the Postal Service if I could.

Also our governor: if capitalism isn’t working, we just haven’t deregulated enough.

Which one? There are so many that fit the description.

[–] gassygiant@discuss.online 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

A rule of thumb for invested money is that it doubles every 7 years. It’s possible that it’s more to do with time than the tax break. It was likely to happen anyway.

On the other hand, billionaire wealth isn’t just invested moneys, it’s usually corporate fuckery.

That said, let’s ACTUALLY tax the fuck out of it and put it to good use.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I don't think an 80% tax rate is too much. Billionaires shouldn't exist and now we're moving closer to having a trillionaire.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sky high rent, insane greedflation food prices? Looks like we are headed for even more of the same come November, in orange spades this time.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Harsh words and no teeth to anything. He calls them out, but has no way to do anything about it.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All there are so far are announcements, meanwhile we still have high inflation, corporate greed, layoffs, and no real pain or repercussions for the wealthy. They still just pass on any penalties to consumers and workers. This is all a dog and pony show, it's bullshit.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nothing will fundamentally change

-Joe Biden to billionaires in 2019

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Huh?

He said that...

Are you arguing that after saying that things fundemantelly did change for billionaires?

Because they're still making insane gains to their net worth...

But I really did think this is the one campaign promise he kept. So it's strange to see people claim it wasn't.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They are making insane gains due to the 2017 tax cuts that expired for lower and middle class, but are still in effect for the top income earners, coupled with loopholes/breaks/incentives that are being addressed with his tax reform proposal. I’m not saying Biden’s proposals will fix everything, but it’s a large step away from Trump’s engorgement of the wealthy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mate...

They were making too much before the 17 cuts, and 7 years later they'll still making too much.

Biden said that two years after the cuts went into effect, and nothing has fundamentally changed.

Like, you got that right? 2019 was after 2017?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He said this at the SOTU address this year. The proposal is dated March 2024. I agree that billionaires inflated greatly in recent years. The last tax proposal was put in place by Trump in 2017, with massive breaks for the wealthy. The cuts for the low and middle class expired last year, while the breaks for the wealthy aren’t set to expire until December of this year. Trump put capitalism into overdrive in his second year in office.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So...

You're saying when Biden said "nothing will fundamentally change"

That he was being dishonest, because he has changed something significant?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. If you're trying to make some know and of point, you should use your words bud...

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You’re suggesting nothing is happening to protect consumers from corporate price gouging and wealthy tax evasion. I sent links to two initiatives Biden wrote, with links to bills. I’m not copying and pasting that much text simply because you don’t want to read in off of whitehouse.gov.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So you believe Biden lied?

That's all I was asking.

In your opinion did Biden lie and things significantly changed for the wealthy during Biden's first term.

It feels like you're saying he lied, you just can't type those words....

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry. I missed that. When did he say things didn’t change for the wealthy? I don’t understand the context.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

It was the same time he was telling them racists would work with him because he wasn't Black like Obama and was actually great friends with the racists in both parties...

“I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland,” Biden said. "He never called me 'boy,' he always called me 'son.'" He also cited Talmadge, calling him "one of the meanest guys I ever knew

It's weird, Biden's biggest supporters online usually aren't familiar with Biden's words and actions

It's a lot like trump supporters. They have a candidate and they will always believe that candidate did the best thing possible.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You’re quite hostile, and make a lot of assumptions. I’m an advocate for information, and just as critical of Biden as I am supportive. My comments linked to bills were meant to inform those that assume inaction. You are right that I didn’t see this before. He said he won’t “demonize the rich.” He’s increasing their taxes, as well as corporate taxes, and closing loopholes, while funding and empowering the IRS to audit the wealthy (a process that was previously considered too difficult with the thinly-spread accounting staff). He’s not demonizing them, he’s just holding them financially accountable.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Biden told donors at an event at the Carlyle Hotel in Manhattan on Tuesday evening that he would not “demonize” the rich and promised that “no one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change,” Bloomberg News reported.

Either Biden did something significant and lied...

Or what you're saying he did wasn't enough.

Because like you said, trumps tax cuts in 2017 were in effect in 2019 when he said that.

I'm sorry there's no way for Biden to be right both times, and I understand how it's frustrating when confronted with evidence instead of just insults and insinuations.

But at the end of the day, either Biden lied, or he's not doing enough.

That's just life.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What don’t you understand? We’re going in circles now. He proposed his tax reform in March of this year. It won’t go into effect until Trump’s tax breaks on the wealthy expire in December.

And yes, the wealthy will lose money. And no, it will not affect their standard of living, just their portfolios.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And no, it will not affect their standard of living, just their portfolios.

Then it's not enough...

Billionaires were out of control in 2016 too...

I'm glad you realize we're going in circles now, that's the first step to understanding. To be honest, I needed that reassurance that this working.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You’ve convinced me of nothing but your willful ignorance.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Do you agree with the statement:

Biden is taking significant action against wealth hoarders

[–] ApostleO@startrek.website 6 points 7 months ago

Billionaires now control 1 out of every 25 dollars of American wealth.

1/25=4%

According to Google, there are 735 billionaires in the US, and the US population is 336,269,260. That makes Billionaires about 0.000002% of the population.

And they control 4% of the wealth. (And that's probably not counting money they have hidden and sheltered.)

For reference, 4% of the population would be 13,450,770.

So 735 people have as much wealth as would be held by about 13.5 million people, if all wealth was distributed evenly. So each billionaire would be worth about 18,000 people.

But, it's even worse in our current distribution:

Due to this influx to the very top, these 800 individuals now collectively control 1.5 times more wealth than the entire bottom 50 percent of American households, who share $3.7 trillion between 65 million households.

And, since money is free speech, that means these 735 billionaires have 1.5 times the voice of 65 million people, the majority of Americans, combined.

We've gone full oligarchy.