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There is a lot of discussion happening in the background of our project here. We could not anticipate all of the challenges that we were going to face a few years ago. One of the reasons for this was because we had no idea what our choice of a platform would bring.

Specifically, we chose Lemmy as the software that we would use to launch our endeavor to attempt a safe space for marginalized persons online.

In the first year or so, this choice was completely successful for a very small number of users. And then we all experienced an enormous influx of users when Reddit announced/implemented their shutting down of third party apps.

Since then there has been a huge number of people that have joined the Beehaw project. This tsunami of users initiated technical problems, and otherwise, that we could not foresee.

Thankfully and fortunately, we have had a couple of incredibly knowledgeable persons that have swooped in to ’save the day’ and keep this site running.

Unfortunately, these persons will NOT be able to continue to support the Beehaw project much further. They have life commitments and other factors, including careers and family life, that will prevent them from contributing to our project in an ongoing fashion.

All that being said, Lemmy (the software that Beehaw runs on) development is incredibly slow and is riddled with problems that makes administration/moderation very painful.

Therefore, we are left with some options that may feel uncomfortable to us. For example, we may want to consider leaving the Fediverse for another software platform that does NOT include ActivityPub. To explain, Fediverse/ActivityPub are very positive concepts on the foundational level. However, the Beehaw project is struggling to include this because most of our moderation/content/ethos is being jeopardized from OTHER federated instances (i.e. it, mostly, is NOT coming from within our own Beehaw registered user base).

The aforementioned persons, that have ’swooped in to save the day’, have been discussing/working with us to come up with the best solutions that would enable the Beehaw project to continue while NOT needing incredibly experienced/technically adept persons around.

Right now, we are testing alternative software platforms and evaluating them based on everything that we want Beehaw to become in the future.

Thank you all for your continued support of the Beehaw project and entrusting us to make this happen.

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[–] Amamsa@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Serious question; would it help if some of us left beehaw? I'm part of that influx and i first joined lemmy.world. Then i understood that it would be better to spread out among other instances and i created a few more accounts, one of them here on beehaw, because i really like the spirit of it. But if it would help, i would be willing to leave beehaw to help you cope with the load. If enough people would feel the same, it might lighten the load? Another option might be to close the instance for new people, until these issues are solved? I'm sure people would understand the reasoning for doing so?

If you would leave the fediverse, i would not follow. I'm not that big on social media anyway, the fediverse being the only exception.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reason #7639843 why federation simply doesn't work

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Well, that's kinda sad.

Sign of federated-not-Reddit-thingle carking it? Maybe. Sign that it's about time for myself to give up and leave? Maybe.

I blame everyone. Boo, us! scowls scoldingly at all, including itself

[–] HelixTitan@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I am the weird one, but I always saw this "federation" as weird. It seems like a halfbaked idea. I don't think much is lost. Only downside is user count might be small

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[–] MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I like what Beehaw is, and I fully support whatever decision is made in the best interests of this community.

The idea of defederating, for me personally, feels too limiting. But even if Beehaw goes this route, I think I'll stick around and try it out. Either it'll be fine or it won't. And if not, no hard feelings!

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